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stevefriend

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I have lost three deer this year and now another one is looking the same way. It looks like CWD but its not. I send the heads in to be tested and it comes back negitive for it. They would eat good but would keep on getting thinner like skin and bones and die. There poop was dark green and runny. The sick deer now is a one year old buck. I only have twenty deer and don't want to lose another. Has anyone had this problem before? What diseases look like this? and how do I treat it. Please help.
 
Check your email I sent you a message. I sent a cure for this that works for me.

James is right worm all your deer with Safeguard or Panacure, not Ivermic.
 
Deworming is very important. Take fecal to the vet for testing. It could be coccidiosis. Best treatment for this is Corrid.
 
I wormed all this past spring but I used Ivermic. I will deworm again with your suggestion and I will take in a sample of fecal for testing. Thank you all.
 
drfavero said:
coccidiosis



Corid in water, or de-cox, or any other coccidia treatment
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how about bovatec i think thats how its spelled , i have it in my feed all year, as you can never get rid of ( coccidia ) just keep it in check, if its coccidia that you have. dont play around get a sampl, to your vet ASAP
 
Jack I would like to hear what you did. I lost one to what you describe. I took many samples in to the vets and to the U of M It always comes back neg. for anything and they tested everything. I wormed with different things and gave her many different drugs. Nothing worked. Nobody knows what it was to learn from.
 
Coccidiosis is very easy to identify and in my case it was never found to be the problem in the deer I sent in. The only thing they ever found was a worm which Ivermic didn't kill but Safeguard or Panacure did. Worming alone did not stop my problem.



The one thing which will stop my deer problem is two doses of Micotil 300 48 hours apart. If I only give one shot it will come back. This drug will kill people and is very dangerous to use. But it was the only drug which would stop my poop problem in my deer.
 
After you find the problem it wouldnt hurt to lime your pens with hydrated lime!! just did my pens yesterday for the year!!! It kills worms and many harmful bacteria. I lime every fall and swear by it! Good luck



Scott Neeb

Chanlow Farms
 
Neeby said:
After you find the problem it wouldnt hurt to lime your pens with hydrated lime!! just did my pens yesterday for the year!!! It kills worms and many harmful bacteria. I lime every fall and swear by it! Good luck



Scott Neeb

Chanlow Farms
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Every pen and every farm is probably vastly different, but what is a good rule of thumb for the amount of lime that should be applied to an acre? I had tons of starlings last year...
 
I use 50lbs per 1000 sqft. I have done this for years at least 4 times a year if not more. On average i was told it takes 6 months for lime to do its job of soil conditioning. thats just top dressing i double this amount when im working it into the soil for a food plot and such.



Now saying that you need to take a soil test to see where you are at. You need to have a nutural ph around 7 or 7.2. and adjust your lime to reach that number! A pen that is not nutural becomes a breeding ground for parisites!



on a side note with a soil test yo might find that you have to ad more then just lime!
 
Pread 10 I use hydrated because it is very strong and kills parasites much quicker, it is used here in Pa by chicken farmers in the same way... if you dont have hydrated pelletized lime works it takes longer though... Philip I use about 5 to six bags per acre pen, we take a plastic coffee container slit holes in top and walk through pens with a container in each hand , it works pretty smart!! hydrated lime is very fluffy compared to dolomitic and it spreads very good . As circle J has said it conditions the soil and adjusts the Ph but for me I want to kill parasites quick and hydrated works, it costs a few dollars more per 50 pd bag but well worth it!!! Good Luck !!!!



Scott Neeb

Chanlow Farms
 
I also periodiclly, especially when seing poop thats like that pick up a bag of Sheep ans Goat DQ from tractor suply. Sub it for their food for a few days, increace protein levels ( chicken feed especially layer) is a great way to put some weight back on
 
Sounds like coccidiosis or Johnes disease. Corid in the water is probabily the best treatment for coccidiosis. For Johnes there is no treatment. A good probiotic like Revive would also be good to get the rumen and digestive tract back in line and will also help to get the body condition and immune system back to where it should be. You can find info on Revive at deertrader.com
 
stevefriend said:
I have lost three deer this year and now another one is looking the same way. It looks like CWD but its not. I send the heads in to be tested and it comes back negitive for it. They would eat good but would keep on getting thinner like skin and bones and die. There poop was dark green and runny. The sick deer now is a one year old buck. I only have twenty deer and don't want to lose another. Has anyone had this problem before? What diseases look like this? and how do I treat it. Please help.
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Have you examined the guts and lungs of the deer you have lost? Gross necropsy is very important, especially when you have multiple losses in a short period of time. This has been a very bad year for different respiratory diseases, as well as the usual enteritis/clostridial problems that plague the deer industry. CWD and Jonnes are likely NOT your problem. A strain of clostridia compounded by pneumonia is more likely. You won't necessarily see any coughing, snotty nose or obvious symptom, but when you open them up, there is evidence of lung damage from respiratory illness. Often, this is the secondary infection that set in after the immune system was already weakened from fighting a gut infection (scours). Submit tissue and blood samples and have a bacterial isolation and drug susceptibility test done, so that you know what antiobiotic is effective against this particular strain.



We have used the treatment dose of C/D Anti-toxin and an aggressive dose of Gentamicin for 3 days in a similiar situation and had success. I back the antibiotics up with Target Probiotics and some vitiamins.
 
Are the deer dying within 72 hours of you noticing them being a bit ill or a little off balance? Do you have sheep within a couple of klms? Moggot taxies are the biggest herd health issue I face.Mallignant Catharl Fever, especially after a few days of wet weather smashes my blackbuck & makes serious losses on my chital & mollocan & javan rusa. There is no vaccine. Fortunatey sambar,both species of fallow & the various phenotypes of red deer are less suseptable & it is my feeling they are not the carrier.This problem has only risen in the last thelve months. Due to wild dog & dingos my neighbours have not been able to keep sheep for decades.Muggins here thinking he's been doing the right thing has been shooting them for the last decade not any more.MCF is similar to bluetounge & EHD however MCF dosn't go clinical in sheep. Hope you have a simpler problem,however keep the maggot taxies away from the deer.
 
Are the deer dying within 72 hours of you noticing them being a bit ill or a little off balance? Do you have sheep within a couple of klms? Moggot taxies are the biggest herd health issue I face.Mallignant Catharl Fever, especially after a few days of wet weather smashes my blackbuck & makes serious losses on my chital & mollocan & javan rusa. There is no vaccine. Fortunatey sambar,both species of fallow & the various phenotypes of red deer are less suseptable & it is my feeling they are not the carrier.This problem has only risen in the last thelve months. Due to wild dog & dingos my neighbours have not been able to keep sheep for decades.Muggins here thinking he's been doing the right thing has been shooting them for the last decade not any more.MCF is similar to bluetounge & EHD however MCF dosn't go clinical in sheep. Hope you have a simpler problem,however keep the maggot taxies away from the deer.
 

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