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sharkey

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I thought I should move this question to the members only forum.What is the Nth American definition of "Fair chase"?
 
Hunting in the wild with no fences. Were the deer or what ever you are hunting are in their natural habitats.
 
Is this the view of the associations involved with game farming & enclosed hunting areas?Do these associations have a definition?
 
I will have to disagree with Virgil. Fair chase can mean many different things. A deer ( for example) in 1,000 acres of high fence is just as wild as any free range deer. Sam James had a great example of a buck that was in his preserve that was a ghost. He had trail cam pictures of him but very little sightings by hunters. I'm not sure how big Sam's preserve is but a deer can, will and do adjust to their surroundings. For me, fair chase means taking a game animals by legal means high or low fence. Period...
 
Arrowhead Whitetails said:
I will have to disagree with Virgil. Fair chase can mean many different things. A deer ( for example) in 1,000 acres of high fence is just as wild as any free range deer. Sam James had a great example of a buck that was in his preserve that was a ghost. He had trail cam pictures of him but very little sightings by hunters. I'm not sure how big Sam's preserve is but a deer can, will and do adjust to their surroundings. For me, fair chase means taking a game animals by legal means high or low fence. Period...
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i dont think you guys want to open this can up.:eek:
 
The reason I started this thread is if you want to promote your industry, you need to be on the same page.If you can't reach a level of acceptability within the industry, how are you going to market it to hunters let alone the general public?Draw a line in the sand, define 'fair chase'& develope your codes of practice around this.The size of the enclosures is always going to be the biggest issue,so tackle it first."The value of the experience is inverse to its artificiality"."Leopould".The greenies & the antis will chop you up If you can't argue that hunting in an enclosure is ethical.You owe it to the people who are trying to represent you that they have a solid foundation to work from.If you loose enclosed hunting areas,what is the point of game farming?
 
Crocket.Denial is rarely an effective remedy.I think you may be suggesting this is the elephant in the corner which every one wants to ignore.
 
sharkey said:
Crocket.Denial is rarely an effective remedy.I think you may be suggesting this is the elephant in the corner which every one wants to ignore.
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not going their . nuff said,
 
I do agree with Sharkey...about everything...

But that would also open ourselves up to more regulations...

And Who decides what is ethical...

But we are fighting with hunters on the size of barrel the Fish People are shooting are in...And Some would Fight No matter how big the barrel was!!

We all know Lots of the barrels are plenty big...But they would never admit that!

Just like the "shooting deer on a leash tied to a tree" comment...You can't regulate stupidity unfortunately.
 
Better to have self regulation through an industry association than legislation designed to manage the stupid & not the reasonable.An association can establish ethics & a code of practice around this.I can see that you are far more egalitarian than even us Aussies, I do envy that. However "freedom ain't free".Give your representatives the industry standards they need to take the front foot against the greenies & antis.Without industry standards, the lowest denominator who represent 1% will create legislation negatively effecting the other 99%.Fair chase & the ethical use of animals & wildlife can & has been established else where.Advice from a veteran in this battle,you will be chopped up unless you can agree on fair chase.
 
Ouch...the last time I heard the word egalitarian(s), the subject was socialism and communism in a philosophical sense. I'm positive you don't mean this to be the case. How or what makes us so equal in your opinion (as one of our most loved friends and allies)? Your message is well taken, I assure you...and thank you for imput.
 
By egalitarian ,I am implying you respect the rights of individuals.I can understand the confusion.Egalitarianism, is the principal we are all equal.That includes the right to freedom of thought. Obviously we use the term slightly differently in oz,sorry about that.I get your point. Its another perfectly good concept misconstrued by the left.
 
I'm a deer farmer and i raise deer I have nothing against high fence hunting. The definition of fair chase is just as i stated. As challenging as it may be to hunt a deer in a high fence it is still not defined as fair chase to the general public. There is no need to bicker about this subject it is what it is.Fair chase is fair chase and high fence is high fence. Most people that hunt in a preserve hunt there cause the chance of getting a trophy buck is greater cause they know that a trophy is gaurenteed to be there. When hunting in the wild you never know if you are going to get a trophy or even see a deer for that matter. That trophy you have on your trail cam could already be dead or may have left the area. If I was to sell a fair chase hunt it would have to be in the wild or it would not be considered a fair chase hunt.This is how Boone and Crocket sees it in their record books any how.
 
Everyone has a different idea on this. Some of the states have deer hunts on military bases that are fenced, but they are considered fair chase. Yet some preserves/ranches are thousands of acres and are still considered not fair chase. The term is used to further personal and political goals, but only can be decided for one's self. And that in my opinion depends on cover/terrain and species as much if not more than the size of an enclosure. There are to many variables to define it.
 
Fars,



Does B & C or P & Y recognize a trophy class deer in their record books if killed on a fenced military base, and how tall of a fence do they say is considered fair chase or not?
 
"Does B & C or P & Y recognize a trophy class deer in their record books if killed on a fenced military base, and how tall of a fence do they say is considered fair chase or not? "

I have no idea
 
I've said this for years now. We will never be able to defend the hunting of these animals in a pen, I don't care what size pen it is. What we need to change this fight to is the humane harvesting of special animals with the use of on farm harvesting using hunting methods. We need to make people realize this special animal that is raised for food and trophy should have this type of harvest as it is the most humane death an animal can have that is raised for food. We use hunting methods because this is what the wild deer and elk are harvested with. If this is a humane death for wild deer then it's a humane death for pen raised deer.
 
Great,That works for me.You realise that is a great defence for hunting in an enclosure.Concentrate on the rural & regional industries,ethical & humane treatment of animals,& the benefits for conservation & bio-diversity in these special places.Cheers mate
 

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