Isotope research project- You can help

Isn't this the same research facility that CWD was discovered at?

What happened to the NAIS? Why do we need another system to track animals when the USDA has not been able to get the tagging system implemented? I am confused.

truby ,please explain to me why you need samples from deer that are captive if your goal is to track disease in wild deer? These animals have no genetic similarity's to their surrounding population. What age do these animals need to be? How long do they need to be in the current location to give a good test?

Please explain how and why giving you samples would help us as deer farmers.

Interesting as this may be for those studying this it really has no real use for the game rancher as I see it either now or in the future.

My reasons on this are we already have State identification on all animals. In my state they can track the animal from birth to death so all issues are already covered there. If we really want to iD our animals from thieft we have proven DNA for that.

Just my opinion on this.

Truby, you can see a little reluctance from the group, government agencies in all states and provinces,as well as both federal governments have made claims in the past, the old saying "Were from the government and were here to help you", using the top down, hammer mentality when dealing with deer farmers, listening to "the Scientists" because the have "scientific" data and ignoring deer farmers experience, which is basically a long term daily study. You may get a few to help in your study, but the majority will be silent, mostly from the lack of trust, support and public education that the government refuses to take a stand on and let the data speak when anti hunters and holier than thou hunting groups blatantly accuse deer farmers of generating new diseases and spreading them the pure pristine wild population. Fool me once,shame on you, fool me twice,shame on me.

Amen!!!

No matter how much of a caring and helpful person you are...You can only get bit by a mean dog so many times !!!

You learn to be careful it don't bite ya again...and you learn he'll grab ya without you putting your leg in his mouth for him!





Uh if ya know what I'm talkn' bout!

I feel we have more targets on us as farmers then our deer do!

I know where you guys are coming from, but think I'll wiegh in here just to bring a different viewpoint for the sake of discussion. In Michigan after the one positive test for CWD one of the many things our DNR did to repress our industry was to claim that the farmer with the index case smuggled in the sick deer from out of state. They contiue to insinuate this with no evidence. As far as I know they failed to preserve any forensic evidence and they have no real reason to spread these rumors. If this isotopic database were in place and proven accurate they would have had to lie about something else The more open we are the better we look . Personally I stand behind this.

One thing I have learned with dealing with government agencies is that they will supply negative information on the deer industry as long as it fits the agenda of closing this industry down. The DNR of Montana which was the deer industries regulator agency supplied much negative information to help shut down the industry. Never was a positive statement made by the DNR for the industry they regulated.



The agency that studied CWD for over forty years was very silent when our critics made the attack on the industry that we were the cause of the CWD problem. They were more than willing to let the industry take the hit for the CWD problem. One would think after studying the CWD problem for over forty years they would have concluded it was a wildlife problem from the start and not a cause from the deer industry. Yes this industry could cause a spreading of the problem if the industry didn't help put in place testing requirement to make this a safe industry for both wildlife and private raised deer and elk. This industry didn't fail it's responsibility to wildlife but the other agencies sure did.



Wildlife experts studied the CWD problem for over the forty years. One would have thought the experts would have put movement requirements on wild harvested deer and elk from the hot spots with CWD to stop the spread of CWD. But no they were more interested in the money wild hunted animals could make for the State and were silent. Trust is earned and as an industry we should look at past patterns of operation from agencies.

I for one cannot trust any government agencies to help the deer farmer. All I have ever gotten from helping these agencies is more regulations and alot of grief. I decline to participate in this program and will recommend to all those I contact to decline as well. I really can't see the need for this program with all the other regulations and testing we have to do to be in compliance with state anf federal rules and regulations. Truby, maybe the cattleman's association can participate as it is proven that humans can contact BSE and that is a bigger concern to me.

I think many on here are afraid that being able to trace a deer to a specific location could lead to the uncovering a lot of illegal movement and a lot of illegal activity. Just my 2 cents.

I think if you go back and read past comments on the government handling of deer farmers you will see why we are concerned. The people on here, for the most part, are honest, helpful and have the best interest of the animals at heart. It has nothing to do with moving of deer. It has everything to do with trust and the truth. The government will only use science when it helps them further their cause. Look at global warming for an example. The government nor us really no if there is any truth to global warming. But it is a fact that they ignore information that does not further their cause. Obama just had the EPA declare global warming harmful to humans to substaniate the promises he is going to make at the big global warming conference. If global warming exist and is harmful to humans, why is the average life expectancy steadily increasing? You can't have it both ways unless your Bill *******.

deerchaser watch what you say dsjm could be working for al **** and he migh be thinking that captive deer might be adding to global warming more than the ones in the wild

dsjm said:

I think many on here are afraid that being able to trace a deer to a specific location could lead to the uncovering a lot of illegal movement and a lot of illegal activity. Just my 2 cents.

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Truly the responce of someone new in this industry that hasn't lived through any government abuse to close down this industry. If you were a game farmer in Montana you would no longer trust you DNR or your government. But then again if you were a game farmer in Montana you would more than likely be out of business as 80% of the farmers have gone out of business and the rest are here only for the fun and pleasure of the animals.



I would expect this type of comment from a critic of the industry or animal activest but not from a deer industry person.