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Guys we have been so busy lately its hard to breath. But i miss getting on here for topics like this because there are so much you can take away from the comments left in threads like this one.



Mike I got you! Dead Ringer and great points!



Personally for me the issue is healthy animals. The healthier a animal is the less prone to diseases and illness it is. It does not matter what products, feed, or minerals you use to get there Healthy is the goal! I use TM Crumbles in our feed all year round ( Medicated Pellets). Until we introduced these pellets in our feed three years ago we battled Pneumonia constantly. Since its introduction we have had 0 cases of that or any other virus. Shortly after that we started to use Shock Effect Probiotic on our farm to correct other issues and believe with all the ingredients we use it helps us have a Healthy Herd! That is kind of What Mike is Saying here.



I will go to add here that i think it is a combination of ingredients and treatments that we do as deer farmers to help insure our herd is Happy and Healthy. NOT just one thing nor one product! There is no Snake Oil Cure out there that is going to protect your herd from viruses and diseases or cure them of this and that It is all in the steps we take from day to day as care givers to these great animals that is what helps them have a healthy out come and be able to overcome some of the small things that can eventually become big things.
 
I have tried to research this product to the best I can and basically everyone I am able to talk with seems to have gotten product for free at some point or got a lot for free.



That is great but, my deer are worth WAY too much money to feed them something I am not 100% certain about.



Why are none of the "big boys" feeding it? If they are please let us know who they are.



I just want some unbiased feedback.



The claims on this thing are pretty big to be honest.
 
Qzilla, What's a big boy? is it the number of animals you have or the quality?
 
That's funny Dennis. I just feel like we divide ourselves when this wording is used. No disrespect to anyone. I think the opinions of anyone on a product should hold water. you don't have to believe them but that is your choice to filter the info you would like.
 
Qzilla, What's a big boy? is it the number of animals you have or the quality?



I would say a combination of both. I would think someone that has a substantial amount of deer to keep alive as well as a herd that is most made up of very high quality animals.





Guys like you Josh. Are you feeding it and are you paying for it?



I just feel like we divide ourselves when this wording is used. No disrespect to anyone. I think the opinions of anyone on a product should hold water. you don't have to believe them but that is your choice to filter the info you would like.





The problem is that ALL of the opinions I am getting are from people who are getting the product for free to use it, or got a substantial amount of product to endorse it.



So when that happens I look at the guys with large herds which is a lot of risk and look at what they are paying for to keep their deer healthy. That means something to me.



I think the opinions of anyone on a product should hold water



Even if they are paid for? I don't agree.



So bottom line I didn't try to divide anyone, I did ask for opinions from people that were not getting product for free and haven't gotten one yet.



Sorry to ripple the waters but, a spade is a spade.



Also for the record, I am partners on some very expensive deer in Missouri that are being fed BulletProof in Missourri (free product) and also one of my very good friends that has a LOT of high end animals is feeding it here in TX. He is also getting some/a lot for free and also trying to get a "TX distributorship" type deal. He is my friend but, obviously biased.
 
We feed Purina antler max and are very happy with it. If we have a deer or several in a pen that are looking thin, we add some Purina amplify to the pellet. This is high fat and will add weight to the deer. You don't want to be adding an antibiotic all the time because it loses it's effectiveness. The combination of Antlermax and Amplify have worked well for us.
 
I see. I am buy no means a "big guy" although on a side note that is about my favorite bucks :)



I have used the product. I have paid for it as well (traded.) I personally have not seen overwhelming results from it. But anyone that has had deer for more than a few years will tell you that feed changes take time to see the fruits of there work.



I have a test group here, two pens one on the product, one not. The animals that are being fed bulletproof have had less problems generally that the ones not being feed it. This is over about a 3-4 month time. Again lets talk next year and see what the verdict is.



But I still have encountered issues in some deer. So at my farm it has made a small contribution to increased health thus far. The real question for me will be over the course of time what does it do. How will my conception rate differ from those on to those not. Weaning weights of fawns etc... These are all question needed to be answered. In the end it will really come down to does the added investment in the product weigh the gain I am getting in return?



My guess is and I am not speaking for Larry that he wants to get this product out to deer farmers to use it, so feedback can then be given. Only when the data is compiled will we know what the results are. So all the points made here are valid and the concerns as well.



It does appear that the success of some farmers using this can not be ignored.



Kudos to Larry for going out of his way and staking his reputation on something he believes in. I have a feeling he will bring a great product to many farmers in the future.
 
That is more of the feedback I am looking for.



It does appear that the success of some farmers using this can not be ignored.



If this wasn't true I wouldn't be looking. Keep in mind on a large herd feeding these types of products is very expensive in the 10's of thousands per year. That is why I want as much feedback as possible.



On the other hand there are also some other great products that have had some very incredible results as well.



We want to do the best we can for our animals even though we really don't have any issues.



I think Larry probably has a great product there is just not a lot of information on it right now. For that matter it is hard to even narrow down the actual claims of the product.



I have a hard time feeding $10k-$200k animals without just a little more information. If I am wrong for that then I apologize but, that is the way it is.
 
qzilla said:
That is more of the feedback I am looking for.







If this wasn't true I wouldn't be looking. Keep in mind on a large herd feeding these types of products is very expensive in the 10's of thousands per year. That is why I want as much feedback as possible.



On the other hand there are also some other great products that have had some very incredible results as well.



We want to do the best we can for our animals even though we really don't have any issues.



I think Larry probably has a great product there is just not a lot of information on it right now. For that matter it is hard to even narrow down the actual claims of the product.



I have a hard time feeding $10k-$200k animals without just a little more information. If I am wrong for that then I apologize but, that is the way it is.



That kind of logic could be very smart with those kind of animals. Very smart thinking!
 
I think Josh said it pretty well.



I believe Larry has taken the best path possible for getting unbiased data compilied on his product Bullet Proof.



What beter way is there to get feedback from folks than by simply giving the product to deerfarmers with large herds and lettting them give TRUE on the farm and hands on feedback about the results they are seeing in THIER animals!



I have been feeding Bullet Proof for I believe longer than most that are on here talking about Bullet Proof and yes Larry approached me about using his product(for FREE) and after many phone conversations and e-mails with Larry and a very small number of initial trial farms and hearing thier testimonials....................I was interested enough that I had to see for my self.



I will not at this time tell you what I have or have not seen from using Bullet Proof. But will tell you that when Larry releases the findings and comparisons from each farm be it pro or con.......................Many of you will be VERY interested in the results!





P.S I know thier are MANY that are sceptical about Bullet Proof and maybe Larry..............But think for just a moment about this........................HOW MANY of YOU would take the TIME and let alone the MONEY to develop a product to hopefully be of benefit to EVERY Deerfarmer and NOT take the time to look at CASHING in FIRST and NOT getting ACTUAL DATA from farms around the country and have you PRODUCT and NAME on the line for EVEYONE to throw stones at ?



I bet NOT many!:)
 
Great posts Josh and Wayne!!



I personally have received a couple samples, but have been paying for it for many months.



We plan on continuing to use Bulletproof on our farm.
 
I have been using Larry's bulletproof for a little over a year now and have seen some positive results from it. I am also very thankful to Larry about sharing any and all of his thoughts on raising a healthy deer herd. He has personally been a great help to me and my farm and I would gladly share any and all my experiences while using his product. Larry in my book is one of the kindest and most knowledgeable people I have talked to. When I first talked to him about the product I was very skeptical about feeding my animals anything I wasn't familiar with. I was worried a little about something new and after investing a lot of my money on deer, I did not want to lose them. I asked a lot of questions about what kind of withdraw they might have if I ran out of product, if he had been feeding it to his deer, how long he had been feeding it, what kind of stuff he put in it, etc. He answered all of the questions I had and seemed very knowledgeable about what he was doing. I have two facilities. I was willing to try it on one facility and give him my honest and unbiased opinion of what I thought, good or bad. After testing it on my deer I have found some very impressive results using the product. I now feed it to both of my facilities and talk to Larry about once a month or so. He has been a great help to me and will endorse his product 110%. I know there is no miracle cure for every illness that comes up but bulletproof has defiantly been a help for me. I have only been in the business for four years and have about a hundred deer. In the last year while using bulletproof I have noticed the body weight is better. I have had to dart less deer for sickness and so far had my best results with my fawns than the first 3 years. I will gladly share any and all my experience with bulletproof to anyone with questions about it. I think Larry has a great product and he is trying to help everyone he can to raise a healthy deer. Give me a call if I can help answer in questions, 9032270964.

Dustin
 
Ok after reading about all this stuff can someone please get on here and say what was wrong with their deer before they started using this stuff bulletproof. I read how good this is but have not seen one person say their deer were bad before they used it. Now how can this be. Someone said it was all natural. Can someone get on here and say how this stuff protects against viruses and toxins if there are no drugs in this. What in this product makes antlers grow?
 
I have noticed a big deference on average in body weight from one year to the next. My best quess would be 10-20lbs on each adult deer. I have darted 3 adult deer this summer compared to 10 or so last summer before I started using it. Less than half, with twice as many deer in my pens. As far as antler growth I believe a healthier deer raises a bigger set of antlers than a sick deer. Just my opinion. You would need to talk to Larry about what’s in it. I’m sure he will answer any questions you may have. Hope this helps.



Dustin
 
deerfarmer11 said:
Ok after reading about all this stuff can someone please get on here and say what was wrong with their deer before they started using this stuff bulletproof. I read how good this is but have not seen one person say their deer were bad before they used it. Now how can this be. Someone said it was all natural. Can someone get on here and say how this stuff protects against viruses and toxins if there are no drugs in this. What in this product makes antlers grow?



I cant tell you that my deer were sick when I started them on Bulletproof, I can tell you that they have not been sick after they have been on it. I can tell you that my buck's grew out larger than I expected this year. But that's not what I use it for, I want it to keep them healthy.



I can tell you that I have not lost a deer this year that has been on Bulletproof, I did lose all that were on another farm that was not on Bulletproof. I am the only farm in my area that still has a healthy group of deer. EHD has all but wiped out many farm's around me this year several with near total loss and they are still finding there deer dead. There have been many found dead in the wild as close as a half mile from my animal's, we will be lucky to have any left to hunt this year.



Do I have proof that Bulletproof is what has saved me from EHD this year, no I do not. But do I think that is the reason my deer are still here and doing well, yes I do.



Will I keep feeding Bulletproof to my animal's, yes would'nt feel safe with out it. I have enough invested in a some of my doe's that if they were to die this year I would be done, I could never recover from the loss.



Each farm will have to chose what they think is best for there animal's and do as they think best. And I hope that none of you out there are having the trouble that we are having here with EHD and that you have the time to kick it around and see the result's from the farm's this year that have used the product. I never dreamed that anything this bad could ever come through this area and do the damage that it has and still is doing. I know we have lost a deer or two now and then in this area to EHD in past year's but never anything near total loss that some farm's are seeing this year.
 
I have been in the feed business for about 20 years and seen alot. Wasnt sure I would post anything on this subject. There are alot of choices and opinions on feed and supplements. Some have the very best marketing with poor nutrition while others great nutrition with poor marketing ability. Products need to have an economic value fed to production animals. Results should be measureable. I have not heard anything about cost.
 
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
I would think a person would have had to HAVE a problem with their deer BEFORE they can say that something has made a difference with their deer. Im not knocking any product,Not larry's,Not Shock,Not A&E. I would think any probotic or herb or anything else that is good for deer will help keep them healthy and that will help them fight off any problems that may come up.



Mike in my case here the fact that I have not had a problem should be more than enough proof that something is helping me through this tough year we are having. I have around 25 head here at my home farm that were NOT sick when I started them on the product late winter and never have been sick. The fact that I still have 25 head of healthy deer here is all of the proof I need.



At another farm 15 mile's away we had 8 very expensive healthy doe's and 4 buck's three week's ago, they were on the same feed same everything except they were not on Bulletproof. Today at that farm we have 1 doe left standing.



I do have positive proof that Bulletproof will work on human blood problem's. Now no one recomended that it should be took by human's my father decided to give it a try himself. But he was on med's to try to get his blood pressure and red/white cell count as is should be. Even on the med's he still had blood pressure problem's. After a few week's his blood pressure was under controle and blood test came back better than they had for year's.



I am 100% certian that it has been a big part of why EHD has not killed a single animal at my home farm. I am in no way claiming it to be a magic cure and I have no idea what all is in it. I just know I still have deer to feed at my farm, most around me are not so lucky. You are lucky that you are far enough north that I doubt you will ever have to deal with EHD, but let me tell you it's not funny at all here, thousand's and thousand's of dollar's that have been invested in deer in this area are now at the bottom of a hole. I now understand what the southern farm's have to deal with each year, to be honest I dont see how they can do it year after year and keep going. Just imagine how it is to feed in the evening everything look's good and the next day you have 4 or 5 on the ground near death and there is nothing you can do to help those animal's.



That is the reason I am feeding and will keep feeding this to my animal's. The rest of you do or dont that's up to you no skin off my back either way. I just wish the farm's that have not used this product would not try to discourage those that are looking for something to help keep good health in there animal's. I have nothing to gain by recomending Bulletproof, I do not sell it or do not make it, just use it.



Almost forgot, someone ask about cost. I would say it is cheap. 140.00 for a 2 gallon pail. Feeding at a normal rate it will last a long time on 25 head. I am just now a little over half way through my second bucket for the year. And have been adding 3 to 4 time's the normal rate for several week's now due to 100+ degree day's we were having and now EHD in the area.
 
RLAwhitetails said:
Mike in my case here the fact that I have not had a problem should be more than enough proof that something is helping me through this tough year we are having. I have around 25 head here at my home farm that were NOT sick when I started them on the product late winter and never have been sick. The fact that I still have 25 head of healthy deer here is all of the proof I need.



At another farm 15 mile's away we had 8 very expensive healthy doe's and 4 buck's three week's ago, they were on the same feed same everything except they were not on Bulletproof. Today at that farm we have 1 doe left standing.



I do have positive proof that Bulletproof will work on human blood problem's. Now no one recomended that it should be took by human's my father decided to give it a try himself. But he was on med's to try to get his blood pressure and red/white cell count as is should be. Even on the med's he still had blood pressure problem's. After a few week's his blood pressure was under controle and blood test came back better than they had for year's.



I am 100% certian that it has been a big part of why EHD has not killed a single animal at my home farm. I am in no way claiming it to be a magic cure and I have no idea what all is in it. I just know I still have deer to feed at my farm, most around me are not so lucky. You are lucky that you are far enough north that I doubt you will ever have to deal with EHD, but let me tell you it's not funny at all here, thousand's and thousand's of dollar's that have been invested in deer in this area are now at the bottom of a hole. I now understand what the southern farm's have to deal with each year, to be honest I dont see how they can do it year after year and keep going. Just imagine how it is to feed in the evening everything look's good and the next day you have 4 or 5 on the ground near death and there is nothing you can do to help those animal's.



That is the reason I am feeding and will keep feeding this to my animal's. The rest of you do or dont that's up to you no skin off my back either way. I just wish the farm's that have not used this product would not try to discourage those that are looking for something to help keep good health in there animal's. I have nothing to gain by recomending Bulletproof, I do not sell it or do not make it, just use it.



Almost forgot, someone ask about cost. I would say it is cheap. 140.00 for a 2 gallon pail. Feeding at a normal rate it will last a long time on 25 head. I am just now a little over half way through my second bucket for the year. And have been adding 3 to 4 time's the normal rate for several week's now due to 100+ degree day's we were having and now EHD in the area.



Thats cool things are workin out good for you and i in no way would ever want to deal with any of that ehd stuff myself. As far as ehd you could very well just be a lucky man not to have that little bug hit your farm yet. You have to remember ehd hit a farm in pa last year and took out 18 top animals and this farm was in a circle of deer farms all the way around him. That bug had to pass farms to get to this farm. You could be the luck of the draw. Im not knockin larrys product. There are farms down south in ehd areas that are on shock products and they have not been hit when farms around them have. As far as the price question above. I paid 150.00 for the last bucket i bought. I picked it up while in pa and i belive the bucket i read somewhere said it did ten head. Bottom line what i said is you cant start usin something and say it made a difference and be 100% unless you have a problem to begin with. I like the way josh is doing a test on it with some animals on and some not. If he feeds everything 100% the same feed with no changes in anything at all except the product in one pen and not in the other that will be a good test. As far as using something to keep your deer healthy i say have at it,We owe these animals that when we put them behind fence. I stated mine on a dairy product made by epic after seeing a farm that has been on it for years and this guy has the top record deer year after year. Its all about the gut. No shock,no larry,no a&e for this farm, We all just have to do whats good for us!!
 

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