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As far as a small deer farm I guess I am about as small as you can get with just 2 doe's at this time. But I do want to keep them. I guess I dont know what is going on with this qdm problem. Today is the first I read anything about it. Can anyone tell me exactly what is the problem, is this group wanting to stop all deer farming, limit it or just prevent it in a few state's that do not have deer farm's or preserve's. I would be glad to show my support and help if I knew the fact's, I am in the dark here.



Also I have to say I have heard Don H give talk's on deer and deer hunting at a local archery shop. And before I would second guess what he is or is not doing regarding this I would just wait and see. I have to say that he is a good person and will only state fact's, I am sure that he has and is handeling this the right way even though it may not be on a public forum. He is a smart man that know's deer both wild and farm raised and will do what is best I am sure.
 
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
Den there is nothing to work out. I no way meant to slam him in any way,shape or form. As he said i dont know where he stands on this because it was never asked of him.My post was aimed at qdma alone on their double standard tatics.If it was taken in the wrong way,well im sorry for that but i am not sorry for standing up to qdma for the lies and bull they are splewing about what we as deer farmers are and what we stand for. A few on here know the deal and the ones that dont might want to take a peek into the doings of qdma because every one of us and our deer have something to lose in this!!!!
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Ok guys - I've got no dog in this fight, but I have read Mike's posts over and over again and I do NOT see where Mike is slamming Don Higgins at ALL, or to use Mike's verbiage ''not slamming him in any way, shape or form''. I don't see it!!!!!!

What I see is Mike pointing out that QDMA is engaging into the honoring and respecting the expertise of Don Higgins to the point of having him as a featured seminar speaker at QDMA'S meeting. Because Don is a deer farmer, Mike sees this as hypocrisy...as a double standard ON QDMA'S PART as it pertains to their newly spoken position against the deer farming industry...and NOT HYPOCRISY ON DON'S PART as a deer farmer speaking at QDMA!

Like Dennis said, if you don't read it closely enough it 'could' be taken a different way...key word here is 'could'...not should.

So...unless there is a post of Mike's that I missed, or I am comprehensively challenged(always a possibility I guess)...it is as I say it is, which is what Mike says he intended it to be.

I urge everyone to go back and re-read Mike's posts and I'm sure you'll all discover the context to be what Mike says it is.



See...that's just the trouble with these forums so often. If you don't put a disclaimer in there...if you say what you believe but leave out what you don't believe, or say what you don't believe but leave out what you believe...then we are at least sometimes leaving our vitals open for the ''20 yard quartering away shot''. And let me be the first to say ''Guilty!''
 
Sandridge Whitetails;61720 I urge everyone to go back and re-read Mike's posts...you too Sharkey...and I'm sure you'll all discover the context to be what Mike says it is. [/QUOTE said:
Mark the only comment I made which Mike may take offence to would be



"cool heads balance & compromise will be needed"



I believe there are a few more people on both sides of the fence who should take more thought in this statement than Mike.

If you look you'll see I edited Mike's name from Don's quote as I didn't think it was useful & I understand Mikes passion & frustration on this issue.



Cheers Sharkey
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No need to appoligise mate.

This is a very emotive issue & passionate views should be expected & are often required.



All The Best

Sharkey
 
I have read Mike's post both here and on QDMA, and to tell you the truth I can see where he is comming from and do back him. I have posted my self on QDMA and was nice in my post, I was still contacted and told I would be removed from QDMA forum's. I have posted on QDMA for year's and I do not feel the same as they do when they preach about managment of the wild herd. I like the culling of buck's that are not of the quality I like to see, I do think the wild herd can be culled and we will see the change's because of it unlike QDMA for that reason I did not visit that site all that much the past year or two. All I know for sure is the area we hunt is not that large, a few of us are on the same page with deer harvest and we have took 3 net booner's, many 150+ deer in the past 5 or 6 year's. I am not a fan of QDMA or all of the doe killing they preach. From what I have read all Mike is doing is standing up for his right to be a deer farmer. Nothing wrong with that. I quit veiwing the QDMA site, there are a few that post there that could make e become a bad person and do thing's that I just dont want to do. As far as Mike slamming Don, I dont think that he intended it that way. I know that Don is a good person and I am sure Mike think's he is as well. I have talked to Don and know that he know's a lot about hunting wild deer and can see why QDMA want's him to speek. I dont think that that should be looked at as he is anti deer farm's, I doubt that he is he has the right to feel as he like's. I just dont think all of this is a big deal, I just dont see how they (qdma) can do S-it to tell you the truth.
 
Mark and rodney, Thanks for the words but it is what it is. I meant one thing on that post and thats the bottom line. I will tell you that i think don went a little above and beyond on his post back to me but if thats what he thinks im all about thats his choice. He thinks i made an ***** of myself on their fourm. Well let me ask you this? A guy makes a post on qdma saying that its bull$hit that we make money off wildlife... Well then the guy has a outfitting business that charges 3 grand to hunt his property and the minimum size buck you can shoot is a 140in buck. So you tell me who is making money off wildlife. I tell him he is doing the same thing we are doing except with our ranches you will get your 140in buck. He says im full of it and he is not making money off of the wildlife. Thats just a drop in the hat of some of the crap that those guys are posting over there. Yes i guess the squeakey wheel gets the grease. I showed them proof over and over again so maybe thats what don is talking about. All i will say is that i am done sticking my neck out to try and protect the thing i hold so dear. There are a few guys on here that post over there and are trying to get good info to them. I get ran over from someone for trying to do something right and he calls me an ***** for proving many wrong on another site and then brings up something that must have happened way before my time. Hypocrite...might want to look back at the glass!!!
 
I thought i would show some of ya's that are not going over to qdma's website the kind of people we are trying to get through to!

This is a reply to sharkey!!



Will you then complian because farmers are breeding small antlers & this threatens your"tradition"? I guess some will always winge.



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Cheers Sharkey[/quote]





Are you kidding...an Aussie talking about "traditions"...you panty waste give up your gun rights! "Tradition" is something you blouks sure as he// dont know about. Would you like to talk about how your Government tells you to sit or squat to take a dump?



"good day mate" .....what a joke



Good luck getting through to that kind!!! But i am the village *****!!!
 
Yeah Mike and that is exactly the response Sharkey is telling us to stay away from.....we need to e the ones who keep our cool and keep stating the facts about what we no. let them dig their own holes.
 
Mike,I know I'll never get through to that bloke, trying to would be like "throwing pearls to swine".

It's the other thousand sitting back watching who haven't yet formed an opinion, who we need to think about & for them to ask, what QDMA is really doing?

They need to ask does QDMA really now what its doing? or where its going with this?



Getting a response like that from "ole mate" is good for us.It makes them look bad & suggests to me weve struck a nerve.



How many friends can they afford to loose,picking on Aussies won't help their cause much.We lent them the money to start.lol



Cheers Sharkey
 
Dog eat dog. Best way to put it. I've always been told the best way to get bit by a dog is either breaking up a fight or REACHING FOR THE FEED PAN WHERE THEY EAT. That's the headlines I'm reading on both Don's and Mike's newspapers. The Feed Pan. Logical...which of you, if either, has said you have not/would not HUNT behind high fence? I'm not taking sides on the personal agendas, mind you. I do intend to put rhyme to reason and consider core values as intent towards proclamations. You are not obliged to answer. I don't trust my memory at my age.
 
sharkey said:
Mike,I know I'll never get through to that bloke, trying to would be like "throwing pearls to swine".

It's the other thousand sitting back watching who haven't yet formed an opinion, who we need to think about & for them to ask, what QDMA is really doing?

They need to ask does QDMA really now what its doing? or where its going with this?



Getting a response like that from "ole mate" is good for us.It makes them look bad & suggests to me weve struck a nerve.



How many friends can they afford to loose,picking on Aussies won't help their cause much.We lent them the money to start.lol



Cheers Sharkey
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Again, Sharkey is right on. I had a conversation going over there with a guy who said deer farms are the same as "puppy mills". I knew I had a big one on the line, so I kept reeling him in. In the end he was like a 3 year old who didn't want to share his toy (I stand with QDMA, good luck with your antler mills, I think you will need it.). I didn't "convert" him, and didn't think I would. However, his argument looked foolish, and there have been a total of over 3,800 views of that thread. Who is looking, reading, and thinking? That guy may remain confused, but is the light bulb going off in a couple other heads somewhere? I am armed, so I will continue engaging them in battles of wits as long as they will. Heck, even Terry's "books" that he posts don't intimidate me.

We can agree or disagree with things that we perceive others doing right or wrong. IF we allow those things to divide us (and I am not saying anyone has done that, but there is obviously a misunderstanding), we will not fare well. Let's try to keep our eyes on the common ground. Even most of the guys on the QDMA forum are probably great guys, some are just a little confused on this issue! :)
 
Ok just have to get this off my cheat! A friend of mine stopped by work today to show me an article Qdma published in its whitetail magazine about cwd. Long story short he pointed out after some arguing part of the article that said they had found a farm with two deer that tested positive for cwd. Within two weeks they found 2 deer that tested positive in the wild herd not two miles from that farm. There he exclaimed how can you say that captive deer arent transferring it to wild ones! I answered huh your so blinded by believing what they are throwing at you that I bet the thought that maybe the wild ones gave it to the deer on the farm never crossed your mind did it. I would more likely beileve a herd that had been monitored for the disease prob wasn't the carrier but that's just me. Can you say open mouth insert foot!! Haha
 
I am not bothered by anything QDMA has to say any more, I do not agree with the advice they give on managing the wild herd. I DO beleive that there are deer in the wild that should be culled, I DO beleive the genetic's in the wild CAN be improved by culling. And I for sure dont think you should kill the number's of doe's that they preach, only Mature doe's. I had to quit reading the QDMA forum's, it was making me want to do thing's that I know I should not do. Such a small, very small number of hunter's out there have anything to do with or even know who or what QDMA even is.
 
Get your land owner's association involved. I had the Alabama Land Owner's Association host a web cast for their members. They interviewed that clown from the qdma and Shawn Shaeffer from NaDEFA. The land owners overwhelmingly agree with the NaDEFA position. They saw right through the trash from QDMA. Shawn was great!
 

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