Gary, Do you know, specifically, how the state of MN cleaned up the wild herd for TB? Did they eradicate a certain mile radius?? Would be very helpful to know this information.
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Gary,
When did they stop TB/Bangs testing cattle to go across state lines. I know when I graduated they did. Since I did no cattle work I'm not sure when this change took place. We need to see how it was approached by the cattle industry to stop the testing. We are mandated by the USDA to do so, but how many positives of either in farmed cervid has their been, and if so when???? these are questions we need to be asking to have ammunition to try to get relief from testing.
There has never been a positive Bruc. Discovered in farmed cervid in however many years of testing! I believe the same is true for TB.
Gary,
When did they stop TB/Bangs testing cattle to go across state lines. I know when I graduated they did. Since I did no cattle work I'm not sure when this change took place. We need to see how it was approached by the cattle industry to stop the testing. We are mandated by the USDA to do so, but how many positives of either in farmed cervid has their been, and if so when???? these are questions we need to be asking to have ammunition to try to get relief from testing.
There has never been a positive Bruc. Discovered in farmed cervid in however many years of testing! I believe the same is true for TB.
Bell989371413865735
It is very important that each of the deer be DNA-ed on the farms where CWD research is being conducted. I believe at some point a genetic marker may indicate a resistant geno-type. I hope this hasn't been overlooked.
Bell, This has not been overlooked and is a very important component in the research being conducted on my farm. Thank you for pointing that out. Another very good USAHA conference I am attending....
It is very important that each of the deer be DNA-ed on the farms where CWD research is being conducted. I believe at some point a genetic marker may indicate a resistant geno-type. I hope this hasn't been overlooked.
Bell, This has not been overlooked and is a very important component in the research being conducted on my farm. Thank you for pointing that out. Another very good USAHA conference I am attending....
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I hope there is some discussion at the conference on the spread of EHD via seasonal movements of livestock that are reservoir host for the virus. I think this is something that is conveniently ignored by those who oppose us. Furthermore, I believe it is a truth that is squelched or swept under the rug by our government animal health administrators while they allow the problems associated with CWD to be blown out of proportion by those who oppose the deer farmer. The deer farmer is allowed to be perceived as one who is potentially spreading disease that is putting other ruminants and livestock at risk. In my opinion it is the other way around. Another culprit is the main reservoir host spreading the virus around decimating areas of the wild deer population and our privately owned deer. There is no testing, observation or inspection for EHD symptoms required before cattle are allowed to move interstate during EHD season. You are completely free to move a drooling cow from any state where EHD is an ongoing pandemic is you so chose. It is barnyard fertilizer ignorant that we are ostracized as deer farmers and a blind eye is turned to other livestock. The whitetail and mule deer could be taken to near extinction in one year if a wicked enough strain of EHD were spread around. Is it really animal health that is genuinely cared about here or is it politics and money?
Jon, You hit the nail on the head again, personally knowing Fisher he is very much engaged with qdma and they side line with each other on a very regular basis, They do use him a mouthpiece for their agendas to discredit our industry.
Jon I brought EHD up at the conference to get a point across and it was received by all those in the room. And it would have been nice if Wolff would have allowed so many of the people in the room to ask questions that needed to be heard but she wanted so much control of the room and limited folks from bringing some important topics to the forefront .
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Jon,
When you bring up an EHD question about the potential that the virus is being spread by the seasonal movements of livestock. Animal health officials nod that you are correct, but it is like their lips are cut off. It seems there must be orders from someone at the top of the chain not to discuss it.
When you bring up an EHD question about the potential that the virus is being spread by the seasonal movements of livestock. Animal health officials nod that you are correct, but it is like their lips are cut off. It seems there must be orders from someone at the top of the chain not to discuss it.
This weekend Both Rhonda and I and a couple others wanted to address the second wind cave release into the public but on Monday afternoon, they adjourned early and the questions that several of us wanted answers to did not get addressed, I feel that the double standards game is getting old and that if we want good rules and regs that make sense ,I think that state agencies need to adhere to the same stipulations that are induced on all of us. It takes a united voice from all of us in the industry to demand that they adhere to this. Just my 2 cents
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Today there is one less state Indiana can import deer from for at least five years.
Yep.
Today there is one less state Indiana can import deer from for at least five years.
Yep.
Jerry, Its more political , I think than true health concerns, That's just what I feel. I do know a few people in the federal animal health want to help but they have their hands tied and not allowed to move forward to help. This part I do know as fact. I brought up at the conference a question to all in the room and asked if anyone knew a number of confirmed deaths of cwd were recorded in wild animals from 1970 to 2012 . I gave the answer. I then asked if anyone had an idea of confirmed deaths of EHD with wildlife agencies for the same time period, Folks in the room said thousands!! In the 5 months it took me to gather the info from state agencies it totaled 3.7 million deer. And as time has gone on we have found new strains of EHD, can it develop into a new strain in time, yes it has the ability to do so. But it does not ring the dinner bell like cwd does for the wildlife folks and independent conservation groups. So yes Its become a political format to launch attacks at the industry and yet not report what is truly in the wild. Run the numbers from some of the state agencies vs the states deer population and the time period when they tested, Its a extremely low,low set of numbers In most states its less than 1/2 of 1%.
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Jon
Thank you for standing up and taking a strong position. Being passive and expecting things will blow over is a naive position. It isn't right that we are held to a different standard with our herds than other livestock. Science should equally apply to all livestock. It is no surprise that we face the regulation that we do today. It is the result of a passive stance in the past by our industry leadership. What is a sacred method of harvesting an animal to our opposition has nothing to do with scientific fact. We have allowed people with animal rights activist roots to find their way into positions of leadership and influence in the agencies that administer our regulation. Debating and discussing CWD with them is a lost cause. They have an agenda. Now going to court is the only way to save our necks. Think about what really happened at the conference. The moderator..
Thank you for standing up and taking a strong position. Being passive and expecting things will blow over is a naive position. It isn't right that we are held to a different standard with our herds than other livestock. Science should equally apply to all livestock. It is no surprise that we face the regulation that we do today. It is the result of a passive stance in the past by our industry leadership. What is a sacred method of harvesting an animal to our opposition has nothing to do with scientific fact. We have allowed people with animal rights activist roots to find their way into positions of leadership and influence in the agencies that administer our regulation. Debating and discussing CWD with them is a lost cause. They have an agenda. Now going to court is the only way to save our necks. Think about what really happened at the conference. The moderator..
Message received Jonathan on Mod. Others saw it as well. Being a guy that respects truth in good science and looking at all dimensions of a problem before making a decision has been very important. There are some in the science and research field that are straight line thinkers and not open to other possibilities to a solution. Also there are some that don't like sharing credit . If we can get some of these people past their egos and learn to work together as a cooperative group we could move forward.
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Anyone with an opinion about Boone and Crocket club should get on the Facebook page "Texans for Saving Our Hunting Heritage". The people administering the page are against our industry. We should all stand together with Texas deer ranches collectively on their neck.
Looking at the CWD narrative from the outside there is certainly a lot if inconsistencies in the requirements for testing & there appears to be large gaps in in the understanding of prions & prion disease on both sides of the fence. If folks indeed do claim to have understanding of the situation, then it would suggest that many decisions & claims are indeed biased.
I've never been an advocate of suing government departments & agencies as they get back at you in the long run, however I would expect that within the government departments there must be agencies whose sole role it is, to protect folks from poor administration decisions. Down here we have ombudsmen. I'm aware of your Environmental Protection Agency having its own ombudsman to protect small businessmen like yourselves from poor communication & decisions by this agency. Failure by this agencies ombudsman to encourage it to think straight & find real & measurable solutions to abate CWD, would IMO then open the door to your congressional representatives to bring & debate this in Washington. This would be less expensive & without the collateral damage from litigation even if you did win the suit. Also keep in mind that governments can & do change legislation to circumvent precedents established through judicial decisions if it suits a purpose.
Facts like CWD being undetectable in calves & fawns before a certain age, yet it being mandatory for just one group of CWD stakeholders, is the type of things you need to highlight to establish that there is a lack of knowledge or bias within regulatory bodies. Find half a dozen points like this, keep them clear & simple so Mr & Mrs average can understand the inconsistencies, but most of all be correct & credible & without bias. I wouldn't raise EHD in any discussion about CWD ever. They are unrelated viruses & combining them in anything that will be read by the general public will just confound things.
IMO, the strongest point that I would be making to congressional representatives if this was to be taken to Washington, is that rather than working towards an abatement plan for CWD, it would appear that the various agencies have instead inflamed the debate between the various stakeholders effected, when they should have been creating allies of them instead & this has allowed the disease to spread further than would have been the case.
Sharkey
I've never been an advocate of suing government departments & agencies as they get back at you in the long run, however I would expect that within the government departments there must be agencies whose sole role it is, to protect folks from poor administration decisions. Down here we have ombudsmen. I'm aware of your Environmental Protection Agency having its own ombudsman to protect small businessmen like yourselves from poor communication & decisions by this agency. Failure by this agencies ombudsman to encourage it to think straight & find real & measurable solutions to abate CWD, would IMO then open the door to your congressional representatives to bring & debate this in Washington. This would be less expensive & without the collateral damage from litigation even if you did win the suit. Also keep in mind that governments can & do change legislation to circumvent precedents established through judicial decisions if it suits a purpose.
Facts like CWD being undetectable in calves & fawns before a certain age, yet it being mandatory for just one group of CWD stakeholders, is the type of things you need to highlight to establish that there is a lack of knowledge or bias within regulatory bodies. Find half a dozen points like this, keep them clear & simple so Mr & Mrs average can understand the inconsistencies, but most of all be correct & credible & without bias. I wouldn't raise EHD in any discussion about CWD ever. They are unrelated viruses & combining them in anything that will be read by the general public will just confound things.
IMO, the strongest point that I would be making to congressional representatives if this was to be taken to Washington, is that rather than working towards an abatement plan for CWD, it would appear that the various agencies have instead inflamed the debate between the various stakeholders effected, when they should have been creating allies of them instead & this has allowed the disease to spread further than would have been the case.
Sharkey
