Gary, I had forgotten that you won a straw last year. What did you have born out of Redline? I am assuming that you had a buck fawn or two by the way you worded your post, other than the 11 that I have, there is only 2 other Redline buck fawns in the counntry- They were born from bred does that I sold at auction last fall. Eddie Ray Borkolder had one from one of those does also, but he called the other day and said that it died. I am going to try a hot wire about 3 feet off of the ground to make Redline stay off of the fence next year. He walked around for 3 weeks scrathing his left horn on the fence, everytime it would start to heal, he would do it again. The fly rubs by my water tanks did thier job well and kept the flies off him. Good luck with your deer. Darren