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When we have epidemics in people, the CDC looks at all angles [food, transmission, contact]. Has the DNR or USDA spent the effort to do this?

I read a paper a CWD researcher wrote, and he felt that CWD was transmitted by blood through ticks and mites. He claims these mites can move in hay. Is it possible that this is how CWD is moving around the country? Hundreds of thousands of tons of alfalfa hay move from western South Dakota every year east to cattle farms. Do any of you feed western grown hay?

When a farm gets CWD, they move in to destroy the herds and never study the cause or any possibility of why and where? I now have seen 2 herds get CWD, and both had been in the CWD programs, and had been closed herds for over 10 years. They can't explain that.

As long as CWD has been out there, they should have found a cure or transmission route by now. Maybe they are barking up the wrong tree!

Gary Olson

I do appreciate your knowledge Sharkey.......I certainly hope things settle down here soon.....right now there is a storm a brewing and something has to give......

G O Whitetails said:

When we have epidemics in people, the CDC looks at all angles [food, transmission, contact]. Has the DNR or USDA spent the effort to do this?

I read a paper a CWD researcher wrote, and he felt that CWD was transmitted by blood through ticks and mites. He claims these mites can move in hay. Is it possible that this is how CWD is moving around the country? Hundreds of thousands of tons of alfalfa hay move from western South Dakota every year east to cattle farms. Do any of you feed western grown hay?

When a farm gets CWD, they move in to destroy the herds and never study the cause or any possibility of why and where? I now have seen 2 herds get CWD, and both had been in the CWD programs, and had been closed herds for over 10 years. They can't explain that.

As long as CWD has been out there, they should have found a cure or transmission route by now. Maybe they are barking up the wrong tree!

Gary Olson

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Good point Gary....................But 45 years of chasing a "GHOST" is what the Federal Goverment does best!



We have got to do something!!

Power comes in numbers boys....until we band together nothing will change.......we need to fight back ......but we can't do it unless we all decide to unite.....To sit and do nothing will slowly bury us all eventually...to think it will never happen to you is foolish thinking.......

Amen ..Dennis !!

Whitetail Sanctuary said:

This test is only 75 - 80% accurate at BEST!

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The real problem here is dealing with CWD when it is discovered. Can you tell me where you got these percentages? The push from our industry should be in the direction of having acceptable testing methods that don't require herd destruction. CWD exists, we just need a reasonable method of detecting it. This biopsy procedure was "validated" in captive elk, it needs to be validated in whitetail deer. If they say CWD can be transferred through saliva, feces and possible urine then how is it that they cannot detect it by testing these substances? In other words, how can one say that it is transmitted through these bodily fluids and waste if there is no test that exists to determine if the saliva, feces or urine is positive for the substance. And if it can be transmitted that way then isn't it transmittable through insects who have contact with those substances? I would think one could logically conclude as much.



I agree that the industry must speak out. Each and every state association along with the national association need to band together and become one voice. It shouldnt be every state for itself, it should be a united front within the industry. Political and legal influence is the only way to get results and have our voices heard. The associations should consider retaining an attorney "solicitor" with experience in federal regulations and agricultural restrictions specifically. It's the only way. It's how all industries thrive. Place too many restrictions on any industry and it will fail. Look at tobacco, it's proven to cause cancer and kill people and yet its still legal. Have you ever asked why? It's certainly not because of individual tobacco users, no, the answer is big money, politically influential companies and organizations influencing the right people.

Whitetail Sanctuary said:

This test is only 75 - 80% accurate at BEST!

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The real problem here is dealing with CWD when it is discovered. Can you tell me where you got these percentages? The push from our industry should be in the direction of having acceptable testing methods that don't require herd destruction. CWD exists, we just need a reasonable method of detecting it. This biopsy procedure was "validated" in captive elk, it needs to be validated in whitetail deer. If they say CWD can be transferred through saliva, feces and possible urine then how is it that they cannot detect it by testing these substances? In other words, how can one say that it is transmitted through these bodily fluids and waste if there is no test that exists to determine if the saliva, feces or urine is positive for the substance. And if it can be transmitted that way then isn't it transmittable through insects who have contact with those substances? I would think one could logically conclude as much.



I agree that the industry must speak out. Each and every state association along with the national association need to band together and become one voice. It shouldnt be every state for itself, it should be a united front within the industry. Political and legal influence is the only way to get results and have our voices heard. The associations should consider retaining an attorney "solicitor" with experience in federal regulations and agricultural restrictions specifically. It's the only way. It's how all industries thrive. Look at tobacco, it's proven to cause cancer and kill people but it's still legal, have you ever asked why? The answer is big money, politically influential companies and organizations speaking to the right people.



Contact the associations you belong to.

I feel all of your pain I too have been struck and it does hurt.I was raised on a farm and learned at an early age not to name my supper ,but sometimes a special animal comes along and it is impossible DD I feel your pain and I have no doubt u did everything in your powers to save that special deer you spoke of.I was at the USAHA meetings this week in Greensboro and believe me the CWD rule was talked about extenisivly.The state vets had a closed meeting w/ the USDA and expressed the dissatifaction of the standards and how there was no industry input when they were written up.We then as the commitee on Alternitive Livestock had our turn and passed a purposal to re write the standards w/ industry involved.I know it seems like just a small step ,but these people cannot be bullied they are somewhat eliteist and will give no heed to direct commands.I know it sounds redundant but it will take time ,but they know we are not happy w/ the new cwd rule at all.I guess i need to back the rule is not going to be altered right now but the standards are.The standards are a set of guidelines that explain the actual rule.I am just as frustrated as every one else.I am an American and I say that w/ great pride,but sometimes protocall gets in the way of common sense.We must keep level heads and work through this unfair treatment we are being dealt.It is not over ,but time will tell what will happen.I am not happy either but it is a process and it must be adhered to.

the last three cases in Sask (excluding trace outs) were to closed herds, they had no animals brought in for 18, 16 or 14 years that had not died and been tested to show that the were not the source of infection one farm had a 16 year old female that had been born on the farm and they had never ever brought a single live animal onto the farm. Our CFIA = USGA says the feed is most likely contaminated and is the probable source of infection

Hollowroad Whitetails said:

The real problem here is dealing with CWD when it is discovered. Can you tell me where you got these percentages? The push from our industry should be in the direction of having acceptable testing methods that don't require herd destruction. CWD exists, we just need a reasonable method of detecting it. This biopsy procedure was "validated" in captive elk, it needs to be validated in whitetail deer. If they say CWD can be transferred through saliva, feces and possible urine then how is it that they cannot detect it by testing these substances? In other words, how can one say that it is transmitted through these bodily fluids and waste if there is no test that exists to determine if the saliva, feces or urine is positive for the substance. And if it can be transmitted that way then isn't it transmittable through insects who have contact with those substances? I would think one could logically conclude as much.



I agree that the industry must speak out. Each and every state association along with the national association need to band together and become one voice. It shouldnt be every state for itself, it should be a united front within the industry. Political and legal influence is the only way to get results and have our voices heard. The associations should consider retaining an attorney "solicitor" with experience in federal regulations and agricultural restrictions specifically. It's the only way. It's how all industries thrive. Look at tobacco, it's proven to cause can we and kill people but it's still legal, have you ever asked why? The answer is big money, politically influential companies and organizations speaking to the right people.



Contact the associations you belong to.

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Good point! If it is transmissible in urine and fluids, why can't they test for it?

I asked the head of deer for the DNR in Minnesota if they planned on banning the scent or Pee bags that hunters use. He said no! he said he saw no problem with it. Yet if it is transmissible from urine, wouldn't they want to stop that vector? Doesn't that sound like double talk?

Gary Olson

because they can't detect in low infection rates so you would need a series of tests over a one year time frame to be sure that they weren't in an initial incubating stage during the first test , quarantine for the year test again..... if the test were 100%

Heard today that a SECOND case of CWD had been found in PA.......Anyone know more about it ?

Was off the same farm where it was originally found.1 out of 9 that they shot.

That would be wonderful Wyane........hope your wrong!!

Matt, what are you saying.....so there were two deer off the same farm that had the CWD..........not sure I am getting it right .........where there ten total deer on the farm? One was sick and tested positive for CWD....and now another of the 10 has tested positive also?.......I heard one got loose is this true also? If so this is really going to make things horrible for us in Pa....

Yes one got out and last I heard is still out. So they tested 9 more and 1 was positive. If all the deer that were bought from the farm test negative everything will be fine. I dont believe much will change other than better record keeping.

It's true and the Farm names are in the news too....27 farms in 16 Counties...It makes me Physically Sick...We will all be listed If they have it their way I feel!!!



http://blog.pennlive.com/pa-sportsm...a_confirmed_with_chronic_wasting_disease.html



http://blog.pennlive.com/pa-sportsm...ng_disease_quarantine_list_to_include_27.html

A bunch of those names on that list have been taken off already

Of course They didn't print that...This makes it look worse to have more farms listed!! We were already fighting an up hill battle..."They" just want to pile on more!!

I wanna say I'm so sorry for Those directly affected...But we all are so...I wanna say I'm so sorry for those who are under direct attack... I feel like we are just all waiting to see if we are next. Like a Hen in the hen house, Who will the Fox pick next!! Our hearts and pocket books suffer...but it is our poor deer that loose their life's to such a ******** Mass Hysteria!!

What is the purpose of publishing the names? Especially if they where only tracebacks.

They didn't do that with mad cow disease. Those farm names where kept confidential.



Gary