The sucker tine is setting industry records?

Thanks Antlershed

Antlershed

I noticed in your profile you are a taxidermist and collect antlers. I would like your opinion regarding my post #11 in this thread. Have you noticed a pattern of shorter t-tines in the scenario described. Also have you noticed any difference in tine length on a T-tine where a sucker tine is present growing directly off the main beam right beside or between two much longer T-tines. I think upon further examination you may find the side where the sucker tine is present will have shorter tine length than the other side of the rack if the sucker is not present. For those reading this who don't know that the sucker is a specific point. It is not a bifurcated tine, sticker, flyer and etc.

When I posted this topic originally I had hoped others would post things of substance that would help expedite my path to my goal of building a doe line that will consistently produce male offspring with inside antler spreads of 24-26",typical tine lengths of 18-20", and main beams around 34-36".i have been breeding deer a little while but I am only 8 years into trying this discipline and yet still many generations away from these girls. I believe once this female line is built extras can be added by using sexed semen without destroying the discipline. Many mock at clean typical breeding and it's part of the reason I keep my breedings close to the vest. I wish everyone success and enjoyment in their breeding programs. This is simply a way of breeding that challenges my mind and I enjoy.

I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I see it consistently in all your post on a variety of topics.

Bell


I look forward to reading your posts daily. Your knowledge and insight along with multiple others on this forum is what makes this place so special.I am pretty sure if you reach your goal with a doe line that will produce those traits there is not one person on this forum that wouldn't take a few of them!!!


I personally am a huge typical fan and some day hope to have a few!

Bell, I can tell you from my years of working on wild free range PA deer, you are right about the 5x5 having shorter g2s, for the most part. Obviously it's not the case every time, but the majority of the time I would have to say that a 4x4 has longer g2s than g3s while a 5x5 has shorter 2s than 3s. That is my observation on wild PA deer two years old or older. I do see yearling 4x4s that may have equal or shorter g2s than 3s, but I think that's just a product of being young, we have enough deer in this state, if only people could stop shooting beautiful 4x4 yearlings, give them a pass and shoot a doe instead, we would see some great two year olds. But that's a whole different topic there, lol. Say that on a hunting message board and your heads on the chopping block, too many guys still complaining spikes and 4 pointers aren't legal in our state, lol.

Did you happen to notice if when the G-2 or T-2 started at the beginning of the main beam curve rather than before the main beam curve began if it made a consistent difference in whether it was shorter than the 3 or not on the 5 by 5 or greater mainframes?

Most times, wild or pen deer, the weaker g2s are before a curve. I was just was down In my shop looking at sheds and I noticed this to be the case almost every time. It's actually not common to see a lot of racks that go out, then make a hard 90 degree turn in while starting a g2. Most are so gradual when they curve. Thanks for the questions Bell, it is really making me notice the features in detail on my farm antlers and the wild deer. I don't do a lot of mounts since I have a full time job doing construction, but the ones I do mount seem to match your observations for the most part.

In the new issue of Deer Tracking magazine on page 20 there is a very clear photograph of a buck with an arrow pointing out an example of what a sucker tine is. This tine is considered a main framed point by SCI. It is within another great article by written by Randy titled "but take away the spread".

Suckers should be scored as nontypical points. I feel a clean typical is one with nothing extra or out of the ordinary. Looking back you are right about g2s being shorter before the turn for the most part. Even on my bucks that had longer g2s at two if they started before turn at three they were shorter. Thanks for paying attention to detail makes us all wiser!