Didnt know that, I was under the impression he was a vet, not from him but other people. Good point Roger. Jack, one other thing that I thought of after reading Rogers post. I have a friend a few miles up the road that has "sold" 2 nice breeders that he had to give the money back on because he tried to collect them before he shipped them. One didnt make it on the trailer and one didnt make it off...... Just something to toss around if you're selling this deer for a decent amount of money. I'm pretty sure those collections were by a vet and both deer had complications. Thats just 2 of several he's sold and done that to but it does happen and is probably something to be considered.