white fawn

I have Seneca Whites,Pieds, and White Pieds.



White Piebalds can be born Cream and Change...They also Can be born with Light Brown.

It is more rare but....If I am not mistaking this deer fawn in question eye's look blue.

The fawn (My Deer in these pictures below) a "Pied" Buck was born with Great markings and Turned all white. He still has Brown skin under all his snow white hair.

White piebalds cannot be born cream and change, that is a trait of the seneca whites. If the seneca whites weren't different, there wouldn't be any way to tell the difference. A true piebald never changes it's marking or its color. The buck fawn that you have pictured is a result of mixing a piebald and a seneca white. He has the piebald markings, but they are seneca white markings that turned white when he reached maturity.



I think you are trying to distinguish the seneca white from piebald whites by there eye and nose colors. With so many crosses that are out there, I don't think that is a true indicator of the bloodline. I think the only way to tell the difference is that seneca whites are born cream color and piebald whites are born snow white. I have both bloodlines on my farm. I have crossed them with the piebalds and gotten piebalds with cream spots that turn white. I have some piebalds with blue eyes and some with brown eyes. I have some seneca whites with blue eyes and some with brown eyes. It just depends which trait is dominant in that animal. I don't think that is the determining factor in its heredity.

and short legs?

Dear John, the short legs are a genetics defect of the piebald gene. Inbreeding can cause birth defects and color mutations. Short legs, roman nose, hunch back are normal physical defects that can occur in some piebalds. Blindness and deafness can occur as well. Albinos and seneca whites are not known to have physical defects other than the color mutations and sometimes blindness or deafness.

Born a Pied (No Seneca White in him)





Here is that same fawn losing it....



Then here is him grown All white you can only tell when he is shedding

He is different. I like him. I haven't saw a deer like that before.

wvdeerman said:

Dear John, the short legs are a genetics defect of the piebald gene. Inbreeding can cause birth defects and color mutations. Short legs, roman nose, hunch back are normal physical defects that can occur in some piebalds. Blindness and deafness can occur as well. Albinos and seneca whites are not known to have physical defects other than the color mutations and sometimes blindness or deafness.

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I was aware of this, but I knew you could explain it much better then I could. thanks.

CBRanch said:

Attached a couple new pics of him and his dad. He is still doing good. No short legs for him. He is taller than his twin sister. He has almost lost all of the brown and is now almost solid white. He is one of the biggest of the fawns in that pen.



His dad is doing very good too.

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Short legs are a mutation that CAN occur in piebalds. I have had many piebalds born on our farm and none of them have ever had physical abnormalities. Most physical deformities happen in the wild because of the inbreeding. Since this fawn isn't a piebald, he is a seneca white, he shouldn't have any physical disabilities. Deafness would be the only problem that you could be concerned about with this fawn. Some white deer are born deaf, but it is also rare.



As you said, he is one of the biggest fawns in the pen. Many times that is the case. I have had many white bucks over the years that are almost always bigger bodies than the rest of the bucks.



He is a beauty, I hope he does well for you.