We had a white buck fawn born. I am not sure if he is albino or piebald. Here are a couple of pictures. Curios as to what other think. He has great genetics but no history of albino or piebald. He was a twin. The other was a doe fawn that was typical color.
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That is a seneca white fawn. He is not albino because he has a cream color. Albino's are pure white because they lack any pigment. He is not piebald because he lacks any brown markings. He will turn snow white by the time he is 1 yr old and the cream color will fade away.
There has to be seneca white in the pedigree somewhere. Perhaps you were told the truth about the pedigree, perhaps you were not. Either way it isn't my business. BUT, the fact that you have a seneca white fawn proves there is something in the past somewhere. If you would post the pedigree, it may have a link somewhere that you don't know about.
I have raised whites and piebalds for 8 years. There is a lot of piebalds and whites in pedigrees that people don't know about.
In any case, he is a beauty. He looks very healthy too. Congratulations!!
There has to be seneca white in the pedigree somewhere. Perhaps you were told the truth about the pedigree, perhaps you were not. Either way it isn't my business. BUT, the fact that you have a seneca white fawn proves there is something in the past somewhere. If you would post the pedigree, it may have a link somewhere that you don't know about.
I have raised whites and piebalds for 8 years. There is a lot of piebalds and whites in pedigrees that people don't know about.
In any case, he is a beauty. He looks very healthy too. Congratulations!!
Are you planning on keeping him? I would love to see pictures in a year or two. 
I think I would have to name him Casper or something like that. lol
I think I would have to name him Casper or something like that. lol
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You can also tell he isn't albino because his eyes aren't pink. There was a white deer there somewhere in his genetic history.
His father is a 2 year old son of Gladiator and his grandmother on the sire side is out of Texas Sam. On his mother's side, she is out of Bambi Double Drop and Buddy II Extreme. All Texas genetics.
I have attached some recent pics. He is now one week old and looks great (knock on wood).
I have attached some recent pics. He is now one week old and looks great (knock on wood).
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Could one of his parents be a pied deer? Sometimes they just have a little more white than average? The fawn could be pied and not white if he has even a little brown on him.
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Wild Rivers Whitetails said:
Gary I have thought the same thing atleast once. BUT, piebald deer aren't born cream colored. There white is snow white. This fawn is definitely a seneca white. NOW, how did seneca white genetics from New York get into a fawn in texas? Something shady somewhere.
I have sold many straws of my white bucks to farms in Texas over the past 3 or 4 years. I would definitely get this fawn DNA tested.
FYI there are some Texas lines that are throwing sets of white twins and sets of twins with 1 brown and 1 white when line bred. The fawns grow healthy and normal and typically have brown fawns. I don't know what this fawns full pedigree is but you might look and see if there's an animal in there more than 4x, it could help you figure out which line threw this one.
NC -- I have been watching him closely. I thought about moving him, his twin and momma to another pen but at 2 weeks old, i figure there is more risk in trying to catch him and move him than with the others killing him. Interestingly, the little white buck fawn appears to be the dominate of the group. He is up running around with the older fawns when others his age, including his twin, are still spending more time laying down than up and about.
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If the fawn has dark eyes it is a white fawn like Jack said. It has to have a white parent then - we have been raising white deer for about a dozen years and the only way you can get a white fawn is with a white parent. If the doe isn't white then the father was. You may want some DNA testing to find out just who he is.
I've had a Gladiator daughter that was white. We bred Moe's womb sister to Gladiator and got a white fawn. I had always thought that we just bred to close.
I am wanting to buy a pied doe here in Texas. Where should I start looking? Then I would like to AI her to Gladiator...should she throw whites or pieds?
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TXsnyper, I don't know of any whites or pieds in Texas, but I do know some guys that have bought several straws of semen from me. I do have semen from 2 white bucks and one piebald buck. Check us out on whitetailequest.com under Shadow Valley Whitetails. Look for Patch, Morton and SV Zeus.
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In my opinion....The fawn is not a Seneca White.....
It is a White Fawn.....Probably Pied Bloodlines somewhere in the wood pile.
The fawn should turn all white by a year old.
Congrats.... It should be a Great Fawn!!
It is a White Fawn.....Probably Pied Bloodlines somewhere in the wood pile.
The fawn should turn all white by a year old.
Congrats.... It should be a Great Fawn!!
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Billie Jo, seneca whites are born cream and then change and pied whites are born snow white. Therefore the fawn in question is a seneca white just like the one pictured in your avatar. Piebalds don't change their markings or their color. The trait of being born cream color and then turning white at 1 yr old is a trait of seneca whites not piebalds.