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At our 1:30 pm feeding I noticed a little discoloration (pink)on the right side of the fawns nose on the bottom of nostril. That side is a bit swollen.I suppose he banged it or something.Can't be too careful with these guys. Any weird disease out there I don't know about.(with JHillierwhitetails) thanks.....:)
 
I tried bottle feeding two abandoned fawns last year with no luck (managed to keep one alive for nearly 3 weeks even with a multitude of problems)...this year I decided to try again except this time we pulled two healthy does from the mother after 48 hours. Y



Yesterday was the first day I began bottle feeding. Pulled them around 9am, offered their first bottle (straight red cap with probiotics mixed in) around 2pm with no luck but when stimulated to go to the bathroom, both went fine and also tried to suck on my fingers (but not the bottle...go figure). Offered a bottle again around 9pm and both drank approx. 3oz each though it was apparent they were still not used to the bottle.



Offered them another bottle at 6am this morning and each had between 6-7oz. Offered yet another at 1:30pm with them each drinking about 5oz...and will be returning to the farm to offer another bottle in about an hour.



Does anyone have an approximate amount of milk these fawns should be taking down each feeding or can it vary greatly? So far all I've read is most won't feed more than 14-16oz in a single feeding...but haven't seen any minimum amounts?
 
Just a helpful reminder for all, not just red cap users. Make sure all vaccinations are up to date. I have seen a few posts where some have not vaccinated yet. This time of year, it is very critical to vaccinate, and even if you have you can still be susceptible to some things. With fawns being 2-5 weeks old in most cases, and turning them out or giving them grass and clover and the such, make sure your C&D antitoxins are current. Clostridium has been bad as well as E Coli around Missouri. It has been really wet here and it seems if a fawns get a touch of either of these nasty bugs, it can be a long and stressful track getting them back healthy. Good luck and see ya all this fall on the auction floor!

Eric Pinkston

660.342.5851
 
Eric- thanks for the reminder about vaccinations as well as boosters. We've been having some problems with scours this year and can't figure out if it's our feeding program or the weather. It rains every day here in Ohio and I'm done with mud and wet fawns. We could use a little sunshine without humidity (not asking for too much am I). Thanks again Eric and good luck fawning.
 
An update on our 16 red cap fawns.... We have battled some issues this year we believe due to the amount of rain that has fallen and the increase in bacteria and vegatation, we have treated fawns with Albon and SMZ's and have not been able to knock it completely out.



We decided to back of all meds for a week or so and are adding ProBios to all bottles once a day and things seem to be stabilizing fawns are all doing good right now no scours and life is good, even though we have had a few problems we have lost no fawns, either mother raised or bottle fed, for this we are very thankful. We are in week 6 of our program and feeding 12 oz 3 x a day, I believe we will stay at 12oz this year and not go higher due to fawns intake of grass and grain being so good, we believe this will promote better growth rather than more milk, we actually have some that do not drink all 12 oz and go directly to grass and or grain immediately after drinking their bottle.



How is everybody else doing at this stage of bottle feeding
 
I'm on Day 9 of bottle feeding...dealt with scours a few times which I'm thinking is attributed to the ProBios that I was putting in their bottles once/day (they would be fine until about 24 hours after adding the Probios...then blam...scours again!)...fawns are big and healthy and drinking 16oz per feeding. Not eating any grass yet that I'm aware of...but I've got bowls of pellets and fresh water in there and I noticed one of em had been playing in the pellets. Too young to chew them up I'm sure, but at least it was curious about them. Nice to see that I can cut mine off at 12-16oz per feeding without causing any harm... it's getting to be a pain prepping so many bottles and then washing them each feeding. LOL



Rick, do you think 16oz is too much...should I back them down to 12 oz like you're doing (thus allowing me to save one more bottle per feeding...LOL) or is 16 oz perfectly fine in your opinion?
 
16oz at 9 days, no wonder they have scours I am at 12oz at 5 weeks???????? What is the name of your farm
 
blackshirej said:
i tried bottle feeding two abandoned fawns last year with no luck (managed to keep one alive for nearly 3 weeks even with a multitude of problems)...this year i decided to try again except this time we pulled two healthy does from the mother after 48 hours. Y



yesterday was the first day i began bottle feeding. Pulled them around 9am, offered their first bottle (straight red cap with probiotics mixed in) around 2pm with no luck but when stimulated to go to the bathroom, both went fine and also tried to suck on my fingers (but not the bottle...go figure). Offered a bottle again around 9pm and both drank approx. 3oz each though it was apparent they were still not used to the bottle.



Offered them another bottle at 6am this morning and each had between 6-7oz. Offered yet another at 1:30pm with them each drinking about 5oz...and will be returning to the farm to offer another bottle in about an hour.



Does anyone have an approximate amount of milk these fawns should be taking down each feeding or can it vary greatly? So far all i've read is most won't feed more than 14-16oz in a single feeding...but haven't seen any minimum amounts?
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You need to feed ALL THEY WANT if you are feeding straight red cap...

If you are feeding Rick's program I would cut them back.
 
No doubt,Cut them back if mixing replacer with red cap!!!!I had mine up to like 14oz and they were 4 weeks old,They got loose!!!!Mine are now at 10oz eating clover and grain and makin pellets....Life is good,Ricks program works and it sounds like billie jo,virgil and a few more are doin great on straight red cap!!!!
 
Oh, whoops...wasn't paying attention...was thinking Rick was doing straight red cap. Yeah, I'm doing straight red cap and have been letting them take as much as they can drink, which over the past couple days has been approx 16oz/feeding.
 
Red Cap with Fox Valley is doing great for us. Our 4 1/2 week old fawns are doing 14 oz. 4 times a day. Wish everyone good success.
 
starting 7th week today and all is well I have my fawns devided up in 3 pens 6---6---and 4----- one pen of 6 has some high protien grass in it chickory etc.... and i am still getting occassional scours or just the runs but as of now we just treat them with spectam once a day for a few days and they are fine but it does return, has to be do to the rich vegatation, but i can also tell you i believe these are the fastest growning fawns



We also added Pro Bios once a day starting a week or so ago and it has really helped....Hope things are going well for everyone else... Note.... we are also still at 12oz 3 times and day and have no plans to increase the amount
 
Starting 8th week today, fawns are starting to eat alot more grain and hay and growing i believe at a much faster rate than before.



Still feeding 3 times a day at 12oz per feeding......4 more weeks and we will be done.....cant wait.....
 
Isn't it funny how we're soooo excited going into fawn season and by the end of the first week we're going, "God, I can't wait for this to be over!"? LOL



My two fawns are still doing pretty good... put them on red cap mixed with 1/4 cup formula per 1/2 gallon and are at 6oz for one and 8oz for the other (both are just nearing the 3 week mark). Both are still not having solid stools...but they're not dripping down their legs so I'm trying to give them a little time in between new methods of stopping it to let their bodies naturally adjust and hopefully stop it on their own.



I think for those who want to bond with their deer they're bottle raising, feeding red cap with formula as opposed to straight red cap is the way to go...straight red cap, the fawns don't get as hungry (at least mine didn't) and won't come to you on their own whereas now, using formula and specific amounts per feeding, one of mine comes running as soon as she sees the bottle and she sucks that thing down in under 30 seconds flat. The other one is still adjusting, but is ever so slowly improving...I'll boost her up to the same amount as her sister once I feel she's adjusted and I have her scours under control.
 
Well after a rough first week with superior replacer and scours second week replacer /redcap -scours ,then going straight red cap -no scours since my opinion is its straight red cap for me.I gave mine 1 1/2 times the amount I would have if it were replacer.

I gave my nephew 1 fawn to raise and told him to give her as much as she wanted (red cap)

5 1/2 week old gets 16 x 3 and weighs 22.2 lbs gained 3.4 this week

3 week old gets 11 x 3 and weighs 11.8 lbs pellets in 4 days

2 1/2 week old gets 10 x 3 and weighs 10.6 lbs pellets in 2 days

my nephews 4 1/2 week old gets 45 oz x 2 and weighs 23 lbs she has never had scours.

Dean

p.s. my 3 friends all feed replacer and we weigh our fawns every week and mine are gaining more!
 
Dean,



What kind of a scale are you using to weigh your fawns with? Looking for ideas if anyone else has a good method...



Thanks in advance...
 

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