2010 Red Cap Users

I don't know the specifics and I'm not trying to convince you of anything... if it works, go for it!



But just look at the nutrition info chart on milk...and then look at the one on the bag of formula. The formula contains LOTS of other stuff that the milk does not. Now I'm not sure what stuff the formula has that is absolutely crucial for white-tails, that the red cap does not (hence why I can't provide the specifics), but it's quite obvious the formula DOES contain a lot more than the milk does.



As far as them getting it from the feed... I think if they're eating plenty of the feed, the answer is yes...but during that period of development before they're eating plenty of feed, then they're not going to be getting any/enough. I'm not sure how old they are before they really start consuming the feed, but as long as they're ignoring it...or only nibbling on it occasionally to test it, they aren't getting those nutrients from it.



My $.02.



I will also say...I started out with straight red cap and had a lot of issues with scours. Since switching to red cap with formula mixed in, things seem to be doing much better...also, with the straight red cap, my fawns weren't as calm. They were always fed until full and then the next feeding, they weren't all that hungry and I basically had to chase them down and shove the nipple into their mouth to get them to start drinking.



Now since I'm feeding a set max. amount per feeding, they get up and come to me...begging for their bottle and when they're done, they'll stay there begging and licking, etc. I think in the end my fawns will be much tamer than had I stuck with the straight red cap. I'm also saving a killing on milk... with 2 fawns, I was going through nearly a gallon of milk a day and it was only going to increase over the next 3 months. Now a gallon lasts me just under 3 days.

What works for one farm may not work for another.......like i said before....if what you are doing is working and you and your fawns are happy.....stick with it....if not....try something different.

Blackshirej ,If someone comes out with a formula additive are you going to add that also?

We need facts one has too much or not enough of something -does anyone know if does milk contains all these extra things?Deer are still a mystery which is why we are all so opinionated on whats working for us at that time.I have had NO problems with scours since I went straight redcap.

I think we can all agree there are other factors that can cause scours its possible yours on redcap and mine on formula-fomula/redcap has nothing to do with what came from there bottles.

The biggest problem I see with redcap/formula is that every formula is different in the "stuff" thats in it.

This will always be a debated topic .

I propose that we do a forum fawn study with weights gained ,scours ,problems seen and even breeding success this fall-any takers ?If we can prove one works better I would be the first to follow that lead .So far I think I'm the only one that has listed any results everyone else has only given opinions.

Dean

Dean, Don't forget to throw in on the study, cost analysis on milk replacer vs. milk replacer, red cap milk, goat milk, and labor of mixing, also storage place needed. (Freezer --Refrigerator) What is convenience worth as well? To some, it's more important than cost, or better yet the value of someones time.

I guess that was my question in the first place...



I was wondering.... If people feel that red cap is missing "stuff" why use it at all?

Not saying one is right or wrong...

Just looking into everything....WE ALL WANT THE BEST FOR OUR BABIES

I like to talk through decisions and think of all aspects and Feel we all need to share to do that...

I AM NOT CALLING PEOPLE OUT!!!

This is my first year with red cap milk, so far everything is great. Have had no trouble and all of the fawns look great. I do add a little powderd probotics with it. I did have one fawn get the run's for a couple days but treated with Albon and all is well. Clean up is easy and dont have to do all of the mixing.

Dean,

if you can put together a forum where everyone shares and there is no big debates or fighting more power to ya.......this was tried about a year ago by DC and it turned into a big debate with a lot of heated opinions and it just didn't turn out how DC originally intented it too......speaking of DC has anyone heard from him??

No dennis i haven`t heard from him either . I`m about to give him a call !! He hasn`t been on since the 23 of june !! Sounds like he isn`t doing well ????

I sure miss him............I pray for his healing often.........let me know if you talk with him Mitch.

RocksnRacks said:

Blackshirej ,If someone comes out with a formula additive are you going to add that also?

We need facts one has too much or not enough of something -does anyone know if does milk contains all these extra things?Deer are still a mystery which is why we are all so opinionated on whats working for us at that time.I have had NO problems with scours since I went straight redcap.

I think we can all agree there are other factors that can cause scours its possible yours on redcap and mine on formula-fomula/redcap has nothing to do with what came from there bottles.

The biggest problem I see with redcap/formula is that every formula is different in the "stuff" thats in it.

This will always be a debated topic .

I propose that we do a forum fawn study with weights gained ,scours ,problems seen and even breeding success this fall-any takers ?If we can prove one works better I would be the first to follow that lead .So far I think I'm the only one that has listed any results everyone else has only given opinions.

Dean

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Milk replacer was designed to try to replicate the milk produced by whichever animal the milk replacer is specified for...ie I use Sav a Lamb, thus I'd assume it tries to replicate natural sheep milk which I also figure means they've done their best to test the milk and determine what all nutrients are in it and how much and formulated their product to those findings. There are surely going to be a lot of extras...some of which are completely unnecessary...kinda like deer feeds. There are so many feeds out there that work...and some of them are COMPLETELY different as far as nutrients go.



I could be wrong... but that's what I figure.



Whole milk...I don't know what all it goes through before it reaches the grocery store refrigerator, but I know it's not 100% all natural, unmodified cow's milk...so it's most likely missing a few things. Are they crucial to a white-tail's development? No idea...but it's possible...hence the reason why some folks on here are okay with straight red cap and others feel straight red cap doesn't offer everything. Nobody's certain...but some folks think the risk is minimal whereas others don't want to take ANY risk.



As far as adding a formula additive, if someone can give me reason to believe they may benefit from it, sure...I'll add it. As long as I'm not given evidence that it may be harmful to them, it's not going to hurt anything to add it...just may cost me a little extra in the end if it wasn't actually necessary. Kinda like the formula...I have yet to see any evidence of adding formula to their milk being harmful to the deer, so I'm left with 2 choices. Feed straight red cap...they may be 100% fine in the end or they may end up deficient in certain nutrients growing up, nobody knows for sure...or feed 1/2 cup formula mixed with 1 gal red cap...and know they're gonna turn out just fine regardless.

Where can I find this formula at? We wanna try moving our fawn over to that since it's got such a success rate.

Love red cap for sure the ease and availiblilty and cost has just made it great fawn feeding season so far, but I have a small problem and am looking for any and all advice! I have Durango triplets and when I got them home I stared them on red cap, @ fawns are doing so well! AMAZING in fact, but I have one fawn I, and our vet thinks is lactose intolerant...LOL When we started her on the red cap she started loosing hair! UGH!!!! So vet came and we put her on replacer, well now i'm at does she eat, or blow hair? I need help, this is my first yr feeding and so far so good, but today I'm staring to knit her a sweater! LOL Thanks for any help!

I think i would keep that one fawn on replacer and see if the hair problem stops!!Kinda strange that a fawn would have that but who knows.Mabey robbie or one of the long time breeders have seen this.You learn something new in this deer thing every day!!!

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Love red cap for sure the ease and availiblilty and cost has just made it great fawn feeding season so far, but I have a small problem and am looking for any and all advice! I have Durango triplets and when I got them home I stared them on red cap, @ fawns are doing so well! AMAZING in fact, but I have one fawn I, and our vet thinks is lactose intolerant...LOL When we started her on the red cap she started loosing hair! UGH!!!! So vet came and we put her on replacer, well now i'm at does she eat, or blow hair? I need help, this is my first yr feeding and so far so good, but today I'm staring to knit her a sweater! LOL Thanks for any help!

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Calvin,



Last year we had one with fever and lost hair. Have you checked body temps.



Scott

Hi Scott, Thanks for the quick reply, yes I check her everyday and shes running from 101.3 to 102.4.....

Hi welcome to site. I just had a thought, have you tried goats milk? It's lactose free. Maybe she will tolerate that better.



Sandy Malone

Pasture Prime Farm

Rush, NY

Hey Sandy! Thanks again for the milk, meds and visit need to come over again! Gave her some in her afternoon feeding and she "woofed" it down, fans on the babies and they are naping keep you up on how shes doing and again, many thanks, Val

Hellow everyone, I am new to the forum, I do not have a deer farm but i have a 8 week old male fawn, and a 4 week old albino doe fawn, both are on red lid or store bought whole cows milk, and you will not find a better looking set of fawns.

Update from me--



I just began week 6 today with our 2 doe fawns on 1 gal red cap mixed with 1/2 cup formula. They are doing wonderfully--when I walk out with the bottle, they will chase me down and reach all over the place trying to snatch the bottle from my hand. They are getting 10 oz formula 3x a day. I keep them locked in the barn at night where they have a pelleted diet available with Probios mixed in (I kept having problems with the runs mixing the Probios in the bottles...but am having no problems mixing it in their pellets...may just be coincidence though)...and last night they pigged out on the pellets throughout the night, eating almost half the 1 qt bowl (together, not each).



They also have hay available during the day and a pen with plenty of fresh grass growing in it which they are constantly munching on once they finish their bottle.



I think I covered everything...they're looking great though!