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Average shooter prices

I don't know if some are so stupid to see what more new farmers is doing to the deer business or weather they are so ignorant that they choose to look the other way.

Encouraging new farmers to raise deer is going to kill the industry. Sure you can sell a new guy deer and make money and a nother and a nother but what are you going to do with all the deer that they produce.

The end focus should be taking money from hunters who know what they are spending their money on. Not on taking money from some new guy that in reality is going to loose money. Yes a few might make a buck but most will loose money and be left dissapointed.

Make sure to tell anyone getting into the business the the truth. Which is the market is flooded with shooters and you can't make crap raising and selling them. How ever it is a fun time raising and whatching them grow and if you are lucky you may raise a stud buck that you could make money from.



Now back to the original purpose of this post what are the preserves paying for shooters this year. This is not a hard question to answer so if some of you preserve owners would be so kind as to let us know please do so.
 
I am not a preserve owner, but what I have heard in MN is disheartening.

$3500 for a 200"+ That's if they need it, they won't commit anything yet.
 
ummmm but what about a state thats just geting started and the states lines are closed in-n-out am i/we screwed !
 
''Now back to the original purpose of this post what are the preserves paying for shooters this year. This is not a hard question to answer so if some of you preserve owners would be so kind as to let us know please do so''



Pretty darn quiet out here Virgil. Good luck to you and all those who seek to sell their bucks this year...for a reasonable profit!
 
So far the best I heard is 2500-4000 for 200-250 and 1500 for 150s. Seems 150s have the biggest demand also. Some body any body please give some input.
 
I have 13 bucks ready to go and they are between 130"-170" with the average being around 150". I will let the whole group go for $12,000. Thats under $1,000 a piece.



(Long overdue "Soap Box")



I have been raising deer for 10 years and Never did I think I would sell for these prices. I have busted my butt for 4 years to try to move stockers with no luck. Its time to stop lieing to new poeple saying "The Deer Business is booming"....save it. Most of what you see at sales is "money swapping" and tax right off's. Stop BS'ing yourselves. WE made it this way. WE sold our JUNK deer to new farmers to pay the feed bill, WE killed the semen market by collecting every deer with a "DNA", WE put ourselves out of business. Im willing to admit it...WE HAVE FAILED!!! And, I dont want to see ONE reply saying that all the shooters were shot last year and and there were none to be found cuz I have sheds for you and can tell you where to stick them. So, with all that said, I have stockers for DIRT CHEAP! (No, I'm not letting you down because I'm slashing my own prices,,,,I'm paying the feed bill so a gate dont get opened........
 
Does anyone else notice that these kinda posts just keep popin up over and over.Inflated prices on deer bid up by friends and does being sold that should be culled.Someday we will see only deer with dna top and bottom being sold in auction and only one lot per farm in the sales.That way you would know the deer are what they say and you can value their worth and also mabey some others could get deer in the auctions besides the same farms getting into all the sales with deer that they no longer want or are not productive for them so they pass them on to the new farmer that now has a deer with very little value....If Any!!!
 
Mr. Kerry, Its not that I havnt wanted too start saying this a long time ago. Im not new to this, I see whats going on. WE have bred these animals up to where they look like crap. They dont even look like a deer. I get on here about once a week now only to get mad and go on. Its not fun anymore to see a bunch of freaks that cant even be scored they are so messed up. Ever wonder why 150" deer are in demand....?..cuz they look like a dang whitetail. Oh, well. Enough of my crying. I will log off, prolly get banned, and get re3ady to go to the freakin feed store. Blah, Blah.........
 
I recently found out that there are 10 deer farmers in my county. I fear I am getting in too late in the industry to make any money to at least break even in a few years.
 
Way to step up Tim!!! Wish I could have sold you mine last year when there were non to be found. What a joke.
 
Below is a post written in 2009. Wish this thing was the other way around, how someone prophesized doom and gloom and we were walking the streets of gold instead of big the way it is. By the way, not slamming you for your post, Richard-just was looking for another thread I remembered and found this. Thought it was interesting.



TDA Early results!! Holy &@$!!!



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Well I think that there is nothing to worry about in the deer industry. It is very strong. Just to mention a few Woodard whitetails choice doe fawn brought 110,000.00,another choice doe brought 155,000.00, and multiple deer brought over 40,000.00. Oh yeah bambi 727 sold for 460,000.00. Holy $&@! If there were any worries about this industry getting weak I think that this sale should make you feel better. Congrats to all

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Richard Glass- Buck Fever Whitetails
 
Have any of you guys selling shooters got any prices for your shooters. Seems the preserves don't post their prices they are paying for shooters. So I figured some or you guys might share some prices. No need for names just an idea of what things are going for.
 
Everyone goes through some natural attrition. What would happen if we could get those serious about turning this market around to breed, say 15-25% fewer does this year? I know I'm selling bucks a lot smaller and younger than I had planned in the beginning. They aren't worth much but the risk of losing one by keeping him for another year or two doesn't justify keeping him. So guys, who's willing to cut down their herd, butcher does from the bottom end, breed fewer, sell your shooters smaller and younger for a year or two? I have no idea how to run numbers through an equation, but I really think that this would help matters. I'll be the first to say I'm doing it. This doesn't mean I'm getting out, just playing smarter while things are in the tank.
 
PS a 2-year old is still paying for his stay right now at Antler Valley, I really can't say that for 3-year olds, though.
 
Im chiming in here late but i have said this for a long time. Last year all our does went for dirt cheap but only to preserves with NO pedigree and an agreement they would be killed. I put them in the preserve myself. This Year EVERY Doe Fawn minus one and all does that are being replaced are going to be slaughtered by a local meat guy. Could I throw these out there in the market and make a few more dollars.....yes but then Im letting the next guy raise another doe fawn that will compete against me and another shooter buck that will take away from what i have to sell. Just my 2 cents





Reed68 said:
I have 13 bucks ready to go and they are between 130"-170" with the average being around 150". I will let the whole group go for $12,000. Thats under $1,000 a piece.



(Long overdue "Soap Box")



I have been raising deer for 10 years and Never did I think I would sell for these prices. I have busted my butt for 4 years to try to move stockers with no luck. Its time to stop lieing to new poeple saying "The Deer Business is booming"....save it. Most of what you see at sales is "money swapping" and tax right off's. Stop BS'ing yourselves. WE made it this way. WE sold our JUNK deer to new farmers to pay the feed bill, WE killed the semen market by collecting every deer with a "DNA", WE put ourselves out of business. Im willing to admit it...WE HAVE FAILED!!! And, I dont want to see ONE reply saying that all the shooters were shot last year and and there were none to be found cuz I have sheds for you and can tell you where to stick them. So, with all that said, I have stockers for DIRT CHEAP! (No, I'm not letting you down because I'm slashing my own prices,,,,I'm paying the feed bill so a gate dont get opened........
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Well I'm starting to be realistic about the deer industry and we will be slaughtering 100 whitetail does and will only AI 25 of the top does with no back up. We will expose a very few for natural breeding. We will only produce one tenth of the whitetail fawns that we had produced in the past. We are doing the same with the elk. If an animal doesn't make a profit we will just use them as a hobby much like we do with horses.



In Montana I have seen the loss of our deer and elk industry in one day due to government interference and misinformed public. Our harvest facility was in compliance but what we did on Nov 7th 2000 was no longer legal on Nov 8th 2000 due to the public vote to stop harvesting the animals behind an eight foot fence. This should scare the hell out of all deer and elk producers because that is the way to kill the industry. One Federal law stopping the harvesting of deer and elk could put this industry out of business and we would all be raising pets.
 
I am happy to say that Mr. Condict did step up. He took the next at bat and swung away. Thank You Tim, and Oklahoma......



Its not what I had hoped for, but it does keep deer one my farm ONE more year.
 

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