Cervid Industry Unites To Set Direction for CWD Reform

Travis · Apr 30, 2013

David and all,

I would agree with your assessment about the wildlife agencies' involvement.

Stepping back for a minute considering what you said about wildlife agencies and the message from the Keith Warren CWD facts video... it begs the question of what is our industry's real goal toward CWD policy and reform?

Everyone gets caught up in this "process" of what progress we have or have not made and I would hope to believe that when folks, the everyday deer and elk breeders, that have watched the Keith Warren CWD video and heard the real life testimonials from Rhonda Brakke and others that they would take a step back and wonder what are we even doing in this standards process?

We are negotiating for our lives through this "process" to prevent eradication language to accompany the control based federal rule.

Does this pass the common sense test?

ddwhitetails · Apr 30, 2013

I agree Travis I would like to see the whole mess thrown out.......but do we have a choice at this point other than to make the best of the inevitable? Will call later this afternoon Travis.....thanks..

Autry · Apr 30, 2013

Laurie Seale said:
Dennis,

The problem I have with the way this process has gone so far is if they aren't willing to fix the serious issues now, there is no way there are going to come back in and fix them a year from now...industry reps and state vets have stood firm saying let's fix it now, not later. If there were to be new research or a vaccine made available, then I could see them coming back to make those changes

Anyone who has listened in to the working group's calls can tell you how difficult APHIS has been in regards to industry's requested changes. With Dr. Clifford's assistance, we are hopeful that is going to change.

As for Dr. Clifford's comment about not wanting to put us out of business, that comment is only stated by him one time in the meeting and it is about 3/4 of the way through the tape. He also stated it numerous times to Charly and Rhonda in their meeting with him (Rhonda can verify to that). That meeting is where he also stated some of the other things I posted such as who the person is who is sending him the emails letting him know that industry was divided on the issue. Rhonda can also verify that for you non believers who aren't trusting what I am saying.

Laurie

Laurie Seale said:
Tim,

I never heard Dr. Clifford state that if we had tried to eliminate the standards they would have went to public comment anyway....what he said was if the standards working group runs into a brick wall prior to the 60 day extention, the document is going to public comment anyway. (we have it audio taped just for the record) He also let it be known that this working group is not a consensus working group, but rather for input only....one can read that however you want, but I still say we will not know how the final document will read until it may be too late....he made it perfectly clear that he knew the industry was divided on the issue (a spy was sending him our emails) and because of this, he was going forward with the process.

As for me stating I was happy, that is a true statement....when Dr. Clifford stated this document is only a suggested guidance document and state vets can throw it in the garbage, that made me very happy! I know some of your state vets will use this document as a bible, but for those of us with state vets that have been through the CWD fiasco for more than a decade and because of their experience dealing with the political disease, this document is something states like MN, WI, SD, etc. can get by without....we are doing what we can to make the needed changes to the standards, but if all else fails in the process it will be every state for themselves because the document is no longer going to go away. We had the opportunity and had state vets supporting us scrapping it, but that opportunity is gone so we have to make the best of it.

Laurie

I have sent emails to Dr. Clifford to see who might be misleading our industry and proof was provided. That proof was posted on this website. In your mind, does that make me a spy too?

Four Seasons Whitetails · Apr 30, 2013

ddwhitetails said:
I agree Travis I would like to see the whole mess thrown out.......but do we have a choice at this point other than to make the best of the inevitable? Will call later this afternoon Travis.....thanks..

The inevitable is this country is in such a mess that for anyone to think we will get anything from anyone that has to do with our animals is reaching.

I believe they will side step this forever. Untill this cwd crap works its way through like made cow did then if you get it..Well, We all know. They might not kill your deer but they will lock you down or your industry will.

Has anyone read the stories of what happened to our friend Tara in Canada and the farms they dealt with?

ddwhitetails · Apr 30, 2013

.....we need to be as United as we possibly can in this fight!

Autry said:
I have sent emails to Dr. Clifford to see who might be misleading our industry and proof was provided. That proof was posted on this website. In your mind, does that make me a spy too?

I just wish ALL the mudslinging would stop amongst us no matter who or where it's coming from........no one is better than anyone else and we are all after the same goals.....or at least I would hope so........we are going to have differences of opinion as we muttle through this mess........let's just remember we all want to see this mess go away.....but in reality it's not going anywhere anytime soon......so let's band together and do what we can to make it as deer farmer friendly as possible........be grateful for each other and what each is doing towards this common goal......otherwise, things will deteriorate and they will see the division as it is apparent they already have.......and will use it against us. This is not a stab at you Autry or anyone else in particular for that matter I think we are all guilty of the mudslinging........we need to refocus folks!!

Awesome Antlers · Apr 30, 2013

Autry said:
I have sent emails to Dr. Clifford to see who might be misleading our industry and proof was provided. That proof was posted on this website. In your mind, does that make me a spy too?

Yes Mr. Autry, I have heard you were the spy among us. I only say that here on this forum because you asked... I have to question how doing what you say you did can be of any help to our industry.

You do however make some good points in post #100, I couldn't agree more...

Autry · Apr 30, 2013

Awesome Antlers said:
Yes Mr. Autry, I have heard you were the spy among us. I only say that here on this forum because you asked... I have to question how doing what you say you did can be of any help to our industry.

You do however make some good points in post #100, I couldn't agree more...

Who made the claim that I was a spy? If you don't want to post it here, you or anyone else can email me at [email protected]

When I seen statements posted on this website that were not true, I did send an email to find out what the truth really was and then I posted that proof on this website so that our industry would not be led like a lamb to slaughter. The guilty have now been found out.

Four Seasons Whitetails · Apr 30, 2013

Autry said:
Who made the claim that I was a spy? If you don't want to post it here, you or anyone else can email me at [email protected]

When I seen statements posted on this website that were not true, I did send an email to find out what the truth really was and then I posted that proof on this website so that our industry would not be led like a lamb to slaughter. The guilty have now been found out.

Great, Now we can let those that have been working on this for years to continue to do whats best for ALL states and farmers!

Autry · Apr 30, 2013

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Awesome Antlers · Apr 30, 2013

Autry said:
Who made the claim that I was a spy? If you don't want to post it here, you or anyone else can email me at [email protected]

When I seen statements posted on this website that were not true, I did send an email to find out what the truth really was and then I posted that proof on this website so that our industry would not be led like a lamb to slaughter. The guilty have now been found out.

David, I'm not going to get into what I heard from who. Like I said, I wouldn't have brought it up at all if you had not made your statement about the spy.

I would really like to know whom you found quilty of what though. You can email me at [email protected] if you'd like. I seriously would like to hear that information...

Don't we all want the same thing with these rules/standards in the end... Why are we being so divided on this? I just don't get it...

Autry · Apr 30, 2013

Barry,

The industry is divided because some have been misleading and not completely truthful. If you reread all the posts, you will find the answer to your question or you can email me with the answer to my question and I will then answer your question.

ddwhitetails · Apr 30, 2013

Yeah I see my little mudslinging post did a lot of good.....some things will never change......EVER! And it's getting annoying! Focus harder on fixing the issues instead of trying to prove someone wrong that is fighting for the same thing you are!!

Travis · Apr 30, 2013

Again yall,

In relation to my comment #101, I think the question that needs to be asked maybe even rhetorically is why do we even have to combat eradication language in the first place?? Mr. Warren's video spells it out for us. Take a gander at the Deer Breeders Coop's website and read Lane Laning's article titled "CWD Truth, Facts, and Myths- Common Sense on Vacation". It is a great read. Thank you Keith and thank you Lane.

I encourage everyone to sign up for Google News Alerts searching for "Chronic Wasting Disease" and you will get 2-5 news articles a week about CWD and I promise you they are against the industry and this negative un-scientific based media is addressed directly in Keith Warren's video!

I agree CWD should be handled with control policies and watched closely with a program but is it justified what is doing to people? I would be more concerned about halting EHD. The video said Rabies is even more prevalent in deer… What is common sense telling us?

Some states have it very tough with their CWD policy based on their political climate and history. Yet other states have found CWD for years and years and have some of the friendliest policies to cervid producers.

Yall know the talking points about the double standards we face. Yet we are fighting eradication based standards… Again, we can argue about the "process" and the progress that has or has not taken place, I’m still wondering what I assume most of the John and Jane Deer Breeders out there in Oklahoma, Minnesota, PA , or Iowa that looks at facts asks WHY??

What is common sense telling us?

But hey maybe I am the only one, and you know what they say about folks that assume...

Gracias,

Travis

Four Seasons Whitetails · Apr 30, 2013

Some states have it very tough with their CWD policy based on their political climate and history. Yet other states have found CWD for years and years and have some of the friendliest policies to cervid producers. Quote

This statement is just the reason some states use those hard a$$ tactics on the producers of those states. The states that have it may be a little laid back in their way of control and the states that dont want to see it or see it again are afraid to do business with those states.

Autry · Apr 30, 2013

Autry said:
Who made the claim that I was a spy? If you don't want to post it here, you or anyone else can email me at [email protected]

When I seen statements posted on this website that were not true, I did send an email to find out what the truth really was and then I posted that proof on this website so that our industry would not be led like a lamb to slaughter. The guilty have now been found out.

Thanks to those that sent emails. I sincerely appreciate it.

ddwhitetails · Apr 30, 2013

Autry said:
Thanks to those that sent emails. I sincerely appreciate it.

The emails must have been so overwhelming you couldn't just say thank you through the emails...you had to post the thank you on here....huh Autry?......if I was a betting man I would bet zero emails.........Anyhow.....these silly games need to stop folks.......seriously...time to grow up....swallow your pride a little and focus on the Big picture.....can't you understand that fighting between ourselves is only digging us a deeper hole? I know this goes upon a lot of deaf ears.......but I for one am tired of the who said this and who did that stuff.......I feel like I am listening to a bunch of 2 year olds fighting over a piece of candy.........we have some serious issues to get resolved......ban together for crying out loud and fight for our rights as an Industry.......these Federal rules and standards are all a bunch of CRAP and we all know it.......We don't deserve to be treated this way.....WE HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!!......but we sit here and haggle over who said this and who did that......We can't afford this silly fighting between a lot of those that are suppose to be representing us as an Industry.......I pay my dues and I support many different organizations hoping they will support me as a deer farmer with a professional attitude....I am not seeing that here....and to be honest it will make writing my next check a lot harder when it comes to me supporting a group or organization I thought was represented with adults that were for fighting whatever issues came our way...and facing them in an adult and professional manor for our best interests..........enough is enough already......again......ban together...use each others strengths and let's win this thing!!

Laurie Seale · Apr 30, 2013

Industry folks had a great meeting with the state vets today in regards to our suggested changes to the standards document. We have been working very hard on the document for the past week and the state vets were extremely supportive of the suggested changes we submitted. We still have a little tweaking to do before the document goes to APHIS and wildlife committee members on Friday, but we are making great progress and have the state vets dedicated to helping our industry create a workable document.

Rhonda Brakke · Apr 30, 2013

Thank you, Laurie for hanging in there with this document. Your support is endless, as is your work load. You are all making a positive changes for our animals and our farms! Thank you all for your dedication in making the necessary changes and especially for gaining the support of the state vets and Dr. Clifford for a control program!! God bless!

WillPenn Whitetails · May 1, 2013

Rhonda Brakke said:
Thank you, Laurie for hanging in there with this document. Your support is endless, as is your work load. You are all making a positive changes for our animals and our farms! Thank you all for your dedication in making the necessary changes and especially for gaining the support of the state vets and Dr. Clifford for a control program!! God bless!

I'll second that! Thanks Laurie and everyone else that worked so hard for the best of our industry.

As for all of the other crap on this thread... wow! Sad state of affairs to see this type of behavior come from a common goal we all share.

Bluff Country Whitetails · May 1, 2013

I would also like to give a big Thank You!! To all involved. Most do not realize the time, frustration and stress involved with all of this. Lets remember most of these people are volunteering time and doing this for all who farm cervid! Again, THANK YOU!!!

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