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It only takes a couple minutes to email your Legislator you dont need the 9 digits if you dont have it its time we as deer farmers start fighting back and get as many people on board as we can
C'mon Missouri!!!
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You are correct Nick you only need your 5 digit zipcode. I was on another site and you needed all nine and didn't even check on that one it just looked like an easier site to use. I went back and changed it to five. Thank you again
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wthollow said:
Thanks for the link. I invited our rep to the farm, meetings, FB page, and forums. Awaiting a reply.
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Nice to see some involvement and concern for our industry, Keep it coming. We need everyone...If we allow this to happen, If this becomes law? Missouri will only be the beginning.....
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Could we get a new link to share on Our Missouri Whitetails that might help grab our FB friends attention. I am drawing a blank on ideas. I asked some big local hunting pages to share the link also. We need to educate the public. Thanks for all your work. I will be at the Springfield meeting and will try to get a few local reps there.
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Out Missouri Whitetails Facebook Page is on Fire, thank you for all the help. This is a battle we all need to be involved in.....troy
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I can't find your Facebook page. I wanted to share it. Can the moderator friend request me.
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I found this on a MDC website. Between 1938-1943 Missouri brought deer in from Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota to stock there state. By 1944 they had 15,000 deer and had then opened up to deer hunting. Now annually there are 300,000 deer harvested. I cant see where CWD has played a role in threatening the deer population? Eldon
Hey Tim, try this https://www.facebook.com/OurMissouriWhitetails
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Found this on the Iowa DNR website:
Reestablishment of Deer
Reestablishment of deer into the state can be traced to escapes and releases from captive herds and translocation and natural immigration from deer herds in surrounding states. A conservative estimate of the population in 1936 placed statewide numbers at between 500 and 700 animals. This small herd grew steadily. By 1950 deer were reported in most counties and the statewide estimate topped 10,000. Concentrations in some areas were beginning to cause problems by damaging agricultural crops. In response to these problems the first modern deer season was held in December of 1953 and 4,000 deer were killed. Currently, the deer herd is estimated to be about 200,000 after the hunting season, and harvests have approached 100,000 in recent years.
Deer habitat must provide a good food supply throughout the year. Quality and abundance of fall and winter food items are critical because they determine physical and reproductive conditions. Deer selectively sample most plant species in their home range but relatively few species make up the bulk of their diet. Cultivated crops, mainly corn and soybeans, provide 78 percent of the annual diet of deer in Iowa. They are utilized early during the growing season and again from October to April. A large portion of this fall and winter use is limited to agricultural residue remaining in fields after harvest. Woody browse such as buckbrush, oak and sumac provides 13 percent of the diet and is utilized in the summer and fall and during periods of heavy snowfall.
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In Missouri, you have to challenge the economic value of the wild deer. $1 billion dollars of economic impact, really?? Doing the REAL math of economic value of the wild deer, I'll bet I could show them at a NET loss, and the preserve industry as the real economic driver. This is what your legislators want to see, is the $$$$ to the economy. The DNR loves to show the GROSS value of their deer. What is the DNR's budget in Missouri? In Minnesota our DNR has a $700 million budget. How much does the Missouri DNR account for crop losses of the wild deer? The Iowa DNR says that 78% of a deers yearly food source comes from farmers crops. I don't know about you guys, but I figure I spend around $500/ year to feed a deer. I pay my own feed bills, how about the state? Does the state compensate farmers for these losses? These crops that the wild deer eat are taken out of the farmers pockets. How about the loss of the economic generator there. When a farmer loses a dollar, he can't spend it, and a farmers dollar spent, multiplies 7-11 times in the economy. How about the loses to the insurance industry? In Minnesota we show $104 million in auto damages. How many car accidents in the preserves? State Farm Insurance show deer collisions up 21%.
Again, It's pretty easy for the DNR to show their deer as a great economic generator when they have no expenses on their bottom line. When we walk into the bank, they don't just look at our gross, they want to see our costs to produce a product. Hold their feet to the fire on this !! Like I said the legislators want to see the economic impact !!!
Gary
Reestablishment of Deer
Reestablishment of deer into the state can be traced to escapes and releases from captive herds and translocation and natural immigration from deer herds in surrounding states. A conservative estimate of the population in 1936 placed statewide numbers at between 500 and 700 animals. This small herd grew steadily. By 1950 deer were reported in most counties and the statewide estimate topped 10,000. Concentrations in some areas were beginning to cause problems by damaging agricultural crops. In response to these problems the first modern deer season was held in December of 1953 and 4,000 deer were killed. Currently, the deer herd is estimated to be about 200,000 after the hunting season, and harvests have approached 100,000 in recent years.
Deer habitat must provide a good food supply throughout the year. Quality and abundance of fall and winter food items are critical because they determine physical and reproductive conditions. Deer selectively sample most plant species in their home range but relatively few species make up the bulk of their diet. Cultivated crops, mainly corn and soybeans, provide 78 percent of the annual diet of deer in Iowa. They are utilized early during the growing season and again from October to April. A large portion of this fall and winter use is limited to agricultural residue remaining in fields after harvest. Woody browse such as buckbrush, oak and sumac provides 13 percent of the diet and is utilized in the summer and fall and during periods of heavy snowfall.
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In Missouri, you have to challenge the economic value of the wild deer. $1 billion dollars of economic impact, really?? Doing the REAL math of economic value of the wild deer, I'll bet I could show them at a NET loss, and the preserve industry as the real economic driver. This is what your legislators want to see, is the $$$$ to the economy. The DNR loves to show the GROSS value of their deer. What is the DNR's budget in Missouri? In Minnesota our DNR has a $700 million budget. How much does the Missouri DNR account for crop losses of the wild deer? The Iowa DNR says that 78% of a deers yearly food source comes from farmers crops. I don't know about you guys, but I figure I spend around $500/ year to feed a deer. I pay my own feed bills, how about the state? Does the state compensate farmers for these losses? These crops that the wild deer eat are taken out of the farmers pockets. How about the loss of the economic generator there. When a farmer loses a dollar, he can't spend it, and a farmers dollar spent, multiplies 7-11 times in the economy. How about the loses to the insurance industry? In Minnesota we show $104 million in auto damages. How many car accidents in the preserves? State Farm Insurance show deer collisions up 21%.
Again, It's pretty easy for the DNR to show their deer as a great economic generator when they have no expenses on their bottom line. When we walk into the bank, they don't just look at our gross, they want to see our costs to produce a product. Hold their feet to the fire on this !! Like I said the legislators want to see the economic impact !!!
Gary
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300,000 deer harvested in Missouri annually? A $1 billion dollar impact. That's $3,333/ deer harvested, Really????
In Minnesota, our DNR boasts a $500 million dollar economic impact, and we harvest 200,000 deer annually, that's at $2,500/deer. Why the discrepancy between Minnesota and Missouri ???
Have you ever heard the phrase "vodo economics"??? There is an old saying, " Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".
And these are the same people building our budgets, can you see why we have federal deficit !!!!
Gary
In Minnesota, our DNR boasts a $500 million dollar economic impact, and we harvest 200,000 deer annually, that's at $2,500/deer. Why the discrepancy between Minnesota and Missouri ???
Have you ever heard the phrase "vodo economics"??? There is an old saying, " Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".
And these are the same people building our budgets, can you see why we have federal deficit !!!!
Gary
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G O Whitetails said:
Thank you Gary...
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We went through this in Minnesota. Three of us showed up a at public forum where we caught the DNR telling out and out lies and half-truths. We took turns confronting them with facts. We held up papers that we had printed off the internet. We just didn't sound like we were pulling them out of the air. We had them so frustrated and confused at the end, they looked like fools. The crowd soon discounted everything they were saying, and looked to us as the source of facts.
Remember, the facts are on your side!!!
Remember, the facts are on your side!!!
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Here ya Go! How much more of a reason do ya need to get involved.....
http://www.pnj.com/article/20130901...threaten-our-wildlife?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
http://www.pnj.com/article/20130901...threaten-our-wildlife?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
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rocky cedar whitetails said:
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Troy
I read that article but as you can see she don't have the facts so give her a comment with the facts, sure the damage is done but move on don't let it eat you up and find some way to get your voice heard put an add in your local paper trust me it makes a guy feel better. Until we as deer farmers get together and start putting adds out there we'll always be on defense I think it's time to start to figure out how to put adds out. I personally have often thought that would be a good job for a national organization to maybe put together an add with the facts to run on different networks like the pursuit channel or so on. I think the add could start with a good comment like if you want to know about CWD talk to a deer farmer he's the only one you will talk to who has the facts. Good luck and keep fighting
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Wait a minute...this Steve Jones guy is a cattle farmer attacking the deer industry. Here is Steve Jones testimony (per his own website) on July 15, 2013 meeting of the MO House CWD Committee:
July 15, 2013 Testimony by Steve Jones of Sullivan
[email protected]
Good afternoon. My name is Steve Jones. I'm the conservation editor for Outdoor Guide Magazine, and I serve on the Conservation Federation of Missouri's CWD committee. I'm also the webmaster for stevejones.cc/cwd, a website designed to inform the public about CWD in Missouri.
I live in Sullivan but own land near Moberly, inside the CWD management zone, where I hunt and try to make a little money on soybeans and cattle.
Prions are relatively new to science, wildly different from other known pathogens. Their discovery has spawned an entirely new branch of the life sciences - a branch that is bustling with activity but still in its infancy. Though we have just started learning about this deadly misfolded protein, there are things which have become clear.
For instance, CWD does not know the difference between a whitetail or a fallow deer or an elk or a red stag. It recognizes neither regulations, nor borders, nor wishful thinking. It expands through the ecosystem subtly, slowly, but with relentless persistence. It absolutely thrives on ignorance and inaction.
Research shows that CWD can theoretically spread in many ways. But there is a difference in how it can spread in theory and how it does spread in reality. The natural spread of CWD once established in an area is fairly well understood and can be slowed somewhat by certain management practices.
But tracking the spread of the disease on the North American map reveals a clear association with the confined cervid industry. The massive geographic leaps such as the one that brought CWD to Missouri are clearly the result of the commercial movement of live cervids. Can it be proven? No. Is it obvious? Yes.
CWD didn't get to South Korea via crow poop. Like so many other CWD outbreaks, it arrived via live infected animals purchased from a North American cervid breeder.
The industry, which trades in antler velvet, urine, embryos, and of course live animals, is clearly implicated in most new appearances of the disease. Any suggestion that it is found there only because that is where the testing is done is patently ridiculous. Missouri has CWD tested over 38 thousand wild whitetails statewide since 2002. The only positives in free-ranging deer came from within a mile of a fenced facility in which the disease had already been detected.
The fencing, confinement, documentation and testing standards are so laughably lax that once CWD gets trucked into a facility, there is no practical way to keep it there. While scientific knowledge of this disease is in its infancy, public knowledge and understanding of CWD, even among hunters, lags even further. But elected officials must understand that the half a million deer hunters in Missouri will not sleep forever. The risk to vital income in communities that depend on hunting will not remain unclear. If a legislative response to this horrible disease places the needs of a small industry above the clear and urgent public interest, do not count on the continued silence of those 500,000 Missourians.
True, the confined cervid industry did not create CWD. They themselves are victims of a natural disaster that may challenge their very existence. But as things stand now it is simply impossible to engage in the commercial movement of cervids without serious risk of causing geographical leaps of CWD infection, infections which inevitably transfer to the public wildlife resource.
Your duty is clear. Remove obstacles to placing control of all cervid transportation and confinement into the hands of the agency most qualified and staffed to do the job - the Missouri Department of Conservation.
Any other course will have consequences as terrible as they are predictable.
July 15, 2013 Testimony by Steve Jones of Sullivan
[email protected]
Good afternoon. My name is Steve Jones. I'm the conservation editor for Outdoor Guide Magazine, and I serve on the Conservation Federation of Missouri's CWD committee. I'm also the webmaster for stevejones.cc/cwd, a website designed to inform the public about CWD in Missouri.
I live in Sullivan but own land near Moberly, inside the CWD management zone, where I hunt and try to make a little money on soybeans and cattle.
Prions are relatively new to science, wildly different from other known pathogens. Their discovery has spawned an entirely new branch of the life sciences - a branch that is bustling with activity but still in its infancy. Though we have just started learning about this deadly misfolded protein, there are things which have become clear.
For instance, CWD does not know the difference between a whitetail or a fallow deer or an elk or a red stag. It recognizes neither regulations, nor borders, nor wishful thinking. It expands through the ecosystem subtly, slowly, but with relentless persistence. It absolutely thrives on ignorance and inaction.
Research shows that CWD can theoretically spread in many ways. But there is a difference in how it can spread in theory and how it does spread in reality. The natural spread of CWD once established in an area is fairly well understood and can be slowed somewhat by certain management practices.
But tracking the spread of the disease on the North American map reveals a clear association with the confined cervid industry. The massive geographic leaps such as the one that brought CWD to Missouri are clearly the result of the commercial movement of live cervids. Can it be proven? No. Is it obvious? Yes.
CWD didn't get to South Korea via crow poop. Like so many other CWD outbreaks, it arrived via live infected animals purchased from a North American cervid breeder.
The industry, which trades in antler velvet, urine, embryos, and of course live animals, is clearly implicated in most new appearances of the disease. Any suggestion that it is found there only because that is where the testing is done is patently ridiculous. Missouri has CWD tested over 38 thousand wild whitetails statewide since 2002. The only positives in free-ranging deer came from within a mile of a fenced facility in which the disease had already been detected.
The fencing, confinement, documentation and testing standards are so laughably lax that once CWD gets trucked into a facility, there is no practical way to keep it there. While scientific knowledge of this disease is in its infancy, public knowledge and understanding of CWD, even among hunters, lags even further. But elected officials must understand that the half a million deer hunters in Missouri will not sleep forever. The risk to vital income in communities that depend on hunting will not remain unclear. If a legislative response to this horrible disease places the needs of a small industry above the clear and urgent public interest, do not count on the continued silence of those 500,000 Missourians.
True, the confined cervid industry did not create CWD. They themselves are victims of a natural disaster that may challenge their very existence. But as things stand now it is simply impossible to engage in the commercial movement of cervids without serious risk of causing geographical leaps of CWD infection, infections which inevitably transfer to the public wildlife resource.
Your duty is clear. Remove obstacles to placing control of all cervid transportation and confinement into the hands of the agency most qualified and staffed to do the job - the Missouri Department of Conservation.
Any other course will have consequences as terrible as they are predictable.
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Here are some numbers for you to think about MDC reports they harvested 311,304 deer last year if they had to pay 500 a year to feed each of those deer they would have spent $155,652,000 i have done they math for every tag sold for each season they made $3,575,706.50 if you subtract $155,652,000 the price to feed those deer from $3,575,706.50 you would see that the MDC is in the hole -$152,076,293.50 thats only if they had to pay 500 each year per animal not to mention how far in the hole they would be if you added in the car accidents and other land and damages their deer do every year i have it broke down as to how many tags per season they sold and how much they made from each season if you want to see the math broke down
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Are you only figuring the feed costs for the deer harvested? You need to figure the feed costs for ALL deer in the wild. Also the feed costs which were taken out of the farmers pocket, which takes that money out of the farmers economic generator, which is a minimum of a multiplier of 7.