cwd in Racine County

What State is this in Skip............?

Looks to be in WI, and is a CWD area

This is an area where they have found some other positives in the wild in the past. It is in the very far south east part of the state.

A meaningless find frankly.

Why is there such a precedence put on CWD when a huge % of the overall deer (wild and farmed) numbers were killed due to EHD this year and many years in the past. If the weather keeps going as it is right now (mild and dry), we are going to be in real trouble next year also. All this talk about CWD is blown way out of proportion in comparison to EHD and how that is the real killer.



My little soapdish for the night.

IndependenceRanch said:

A meaningless find frankly.

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They will never let it be 'Meaningless'.

Well it is meaningless in the sense that the area in question was already known to have had it. Also in the sense that DATCP responds in a rather common sense approach to these things. Unlike what other states are seeing and unlike the WI DNR. As was stated this is in the far southern part of WI. That area of the state down there already knew what its limitations and restrictions were. I don't know, but I doubt it actually affects anyone new that wasn't already being affected. In other words the status hasn't changed would be my guess.



Lost Creek, your observation is correct. However your applying reasoning instead of knee jerk reactions in an effort to further a political position.

CWD is by far one of the most over politicized topics in the AG industry. In private conversations I have had state and federal legislators, heads of USDA and heads of state DACTP tell me that the deer industry is caught up in a political struggle. That the over regulation and persecution is unwarranted. And that despite all this it will not be stopping. For our industry CWD is just a fact of life and eventual death.

CWD can be overcome if we are allowed to live with it. In other words, they have realized that eradication isn't the answer in the wild, but now we have to get them to the point that it isn't the answer for us either. A farm with a positive shouldn't be wiped out. Instead they should be able to move their deer to hunting facilities and continue in business. This is especially important since the indemnification money is gone. Either that needs to be restored (fat chance) or we have to be given an avenue to continue in business WITH CWD. The current case in Iowa could be precedent setting.

IndependenceRanch said:

Well it is meaningless in the sense that the area in question was already known to have had it. Also in the sense that DATCP responds in a rather common sense approach to these things. Unlike what other states are seeing and unlike the WI DNR. As was stated this is in the far southern part of WI. That area of the state down there already knew what its limitations and restrictions were. I don't know, but I doubt it actually affects anyone new that wasn't already being affected. In other words the status hasn't changed would be my guess.



Lost Creek, your observation is correct. However your applying reasoning instead of knee jerk reactions in an effort to further a political position.

CWD is by far one of the most over politicized topics in the AG industry. In private conversations I have had state and federal legislators, heads of USDA and heads of state DACTP tell me that the deer industry is caught up in a political struggle. That the over regulation and persecution is unwarranted. And that despite all this it will not be stopping. For our industry CWD is just a fact of life and eventual death.

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Although i dont doubt your words, I do not think cwd will be our death. I think in time with every case they find around the country will show that cwd is just a thing whitetails can get, like we can get aids or cancer. We just have to keep testing and keeo shouting and proving that its not the kill all they say it is. The doe in question was 31/2 yrs old and was being a normal,healthy deer when harvested. From what i hear the meat was kept and the remains were desposed of just like 99% of harvested deer go. The back forty in the woods somewhere. I spoke with our state guy with the last 2 samples i sent in for testing and that was the in last 3 months. I asked him if the top dogs are so worried about cwd then why did he just leave those remains out in my back forty...Reply was...What else are we going to do with them!!! Those are words we can use to fight them and trust me i have!

We need to keep testing our deer and i think we need for cases to be found in all states. Look how many non deer farming states have it now!! I think illinois is up to 38 cases in wild this year. Normal acting,healthy deer taken by hunters. 99% of whitetails that are found to be positive,Wild or farmed are harvested or died by other means. We just need to keep screaming and fighting the good fight to show cwd is just part of the whitetail world reguardless of what side of the fence they are on!

Roger, I saw on two different TV shows, that both the Mn. and the Wi. DNR's are testing only the lymph nodes. These can be subject to false positives. There are many cases where the lymph nodes are positive and the brain stem tests negative. If its not in the brain stem, its not CWD! They are taking short cuts, and no one is calling them out on this!

There math is that every positive brain stem is positive in the lymph node, so they think that every positive lymph node is automatic positive in the brain. This is not true. This was proven in Iowa.

Also, The DNR uses the Elijah test. I heard the head of the MN.BAH say they won't use that test because it is subject to false positives.

The DNR seems to be making up their own science on CWD. The problem is the DNR gets all the paper on CWD. The DNR said "this about CWD', so it must be true. "They are the experts on deer aren't they?" That's the attitude of the deer hunting public.

We and the BAH are doing a poor job of informing the public on CWD! We haven't gotten the truth about CWD out there!



Gary

I cant see how CWD would be the death of the industry. If anything i think deer farmers could take this situation and expand it, understand it unlike much of these agencies. Two years ago my captive wildlife class invited WI's biologist in charge of CWD to give a lecture. His language was bull****. It really showed they knew very little, killing everything is a panic button marker. He later went on to explain CWD entered WI thru a deer breeder from Canada selling deer to individuals in SW WI. The release of ONE buck in that area has caused the spread of CWD, come on now. I want to see the radical explanation for the NW part of the state now...

If that explanation were true, how would it explain CWD in New Mexico???? There aren't any deer farms in Wyoming or Colorado - so how is it there? You could go on and on. That is a common misconception we have to correct. I recently heard that Canada was looking at proposing different classifications for deer farms. For example, a Class A is accredited in everything etc. and Class C has no status and Class E has had a positive CWD. At that point you could only sell deer to a farm with the same classification as you. That's it - no herd eradication etc. etc. Seems like they are considering a common sense approach - so when will it filter to the US????

Between CWD......the EHD outbreak this year.....and the escalating feed prices......if our Industry can survive this..(and I beleive we are) I think we will be around for a long time........However, there will be a lot less of us......there already are.....just my thoughts.......

"However, there will be a lot less of us"





You mean like 1-2 in each state?

I have not heard of any cases in Illinois this year. Where would I find that info?

I finally found it. 36 in all,,, I was not aware

No Fars ......there are a ton of farmers just here in PA that I know have closed up shop because of all the problems we are currently facing..........unfortunately I am sure there will be a lot more.......