Joined Jun 2010
508 Posts | 0+
Fogelsville, PA
guy where do we start....and plz don't say NADefa...
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DD your quest is admirable, but it is not the way.Divided we fall.I know that is not your intent but that will be the results.By titling plz dont say NADeFA what are you saying you are not satsified with the job they have been doing?You are raising money for what lawyer fees?I am as all of us ARE NADeFA by saying what you did is not going to help our cause.I am as pissed off as anyone,but shaking a stick in the governments face will not work.We cannot let our emotions guide our judgement to the point that we are counter productive.I personally think the powers that be do believe that the CWD rule is ludicrous but they have to save face.While at USAHA I asked the question"With all the lectures we have been presented on CWD such as the disease will not make cervids cease to exist,populations in areas w/CWD increasing,found in 23 states and probabaly in more not yet discovered,Wildlife Services not being required to test is there even a reason for the CWD rule.Patricia Kline representing the USDA replied "It is up to the states to decide that".I don't know if its possible but if we could get all the state vets all to agree that the rule is excessive and really not working then there is a chance we can get it changed.Now I realize it is darn near impossible to get such a large group of people to all agree on anything, but we need at least need to hear from them why? If we could make it happen it gives them a way out.I am not thin skinned but NADeFA works hard for this industry and by saying plz not NADeFA is somewhat of an insult.I admire your cause and will help you but fearmongering is not productive.If you all want to beat me up over this post go ahead I can take it,but remember I am one of you and I feel the same way.
No Skip I did not mean anything by saying not NAdefa......my point I was trying to make is we always say NADefa should handle it and we wash our hands of it.......in fact that's why I went on to say the positive things about NADefa in my post. That's one of the problems with writing...sometimes what you are trying to convey is read in a different way than what you intended. So I am sorry if you read it as an insult to NADefa that clearly was not my intent. I do disagree however on the shaking a stick in front of the governments face......I think this is exactly what we need to do...Only I don't think it should be a stick but more like a log!...we need to hire a good Lawyer that has experience with these kinds of situations and let them represent us. I feel we have sat idle for way to long and it has cost us dearly. We are all on the same team here and I respect your ideas Skip. There are several issue that need to be addressed and a lawyer would be the best defense.....people are getting taken advantage of right and left right now with their animals be slaughtered with not a dime of compensation for their troubles....this has got to stop........I
can promise you Skip by hiring a lawyer to fight for our rights will not divide us it will only makes us stronger......this is the only line of defense that works in these kinds of situations unfortunately. We need to fight for our rights as farmers.....just as any other farmers have in the past. Please keep your pledges coming so we can see if we do have the unity needed to put together a fighting force......I also do appreciate any concerns just as Skip has done as we do need to talk it all out so we know we are addressing any and all concerns.....thanks Skip...
can promise you Skip by hiring a lawyer to fight for our rights will not divide us it will only makes us stronger......this is the only line of defense that works in these kinds of situations unfortunately. We need to fight for our rights as farmers.....just as any other farmers have in the past. Please keep your pledges coming so we can see if we do have the unity needed to put together a fighting force......I also do appreciate any concerns just as Skip has done as we do need to talk it all out so we know we are addressing any and all concerns.....thanks Skip...
Joined Apr 2009
1,485 Posts | 0+
Vaughn, MT 59487
I'm sure we will have a unified group when we finally have a direction on how to fight this injustice we have with the CWD program. I feel there is a time for negotiation which we are in now I would assume but when this fails we need to fight this with legal representation as that will be our only option as we can't afford this absurd CWD rule as it is written now.
This all reminds me of the Montana problem. We are to sit and wait for our higher ups to try to fix the problem. I wanted to get help putting our business up in front of the public with TV ads from our deer and elk association as this was a public initiative to take away our business. My idea was shot down because it would cost 60K to do it right. The people in charge of the association were going to handle it. I think we can all agree we lost big in Montana and the million dollars spent on lawyers after the initiative was past makes the 60K look like chicken feed now. Three of use did put on TV ads but it just wasn't enough to swing the public. This industry is being regulated out of business. Who in their right mind would invest in this business where their money could be gone in one day over a positive CWD animal??
This all reminds me of the Montana problem. We are to sit and wait for our higher ups to try to fix the problem. I wanted to get help putting our business up in front of the public with TV ads from our deer and elk association as this was a public initiative to take away our business. My idea was shot down because it would cost 60K to do it right. The people in charge of the association were going to handle it. I think we can all agree we lost big in Montana and the million dollars spent on lawyers after the initiative was past makes the 60K look like chicken feed now. Three of use did put on TV ads but it just wasn't enough to swing the public. This industry is being regulated out of business. Who in their right mind would invest in this business where their money could be gone in one day over a positive CWD animal??
Yep......I hear ya Jack.....we need to act now......before it is too late.....and more costly.....
Joined Jul 2009
1,215 Posts | 0+
Deer Park, Alabama
I am willing to contribute but do think we should fight through NaDEFA. Personally I think we need a unified front but would support both.
Joined Apr 2009
1,485 Posts | 0+
Vaughn, MT 59487
I'm in for $200. at this time and expect NADEFA and NAEBA will head up this litigation fight if we need it. At that time I'm in it for another $200. I don't make any money with my whitetails but you whitetail guys support me with Folligon and CIDR AI supplies purchases. Lets hope we can have a more reasonable user friendly CWD plan with compensation for those unlucky enough to have a positive CWD animal.
I certainly have know problem with NADefa heading up the fight with their lawyers if we all feel that is who will best represent us......come on guys this is going a little slower than I a had hoped.....we need this for everyone...please show your support....
Terrible....just a shame......I figured as much.......Thank you so much to all that are willing to step up and fight for our rights as deer farmers.......shame on every one of you that read this post and did not respond...either positive or negative.......to read it and not respond means you Don't care!! Sorry but this Industry is not as wonderful as many think........I know their may be people on here that don't like me....that is fine.....this goes way beyond ME guys.......this is our future......if you can't make a simpe pledge .....we are done..........it's your choice.........someone had to try ....maybe it would be better served from a big boy.........I know we hate to say those words ...big boy..little boy...medium boy....I really don't give a crap anymore...it is what it is...and. We need to fight....but we control our own destiny.....let's try a different approach ...I hope it works.......I will make calls for my state...Pa.......who else is willing to make calls for their state for this fight? Folks we need support...if we can fund a good lawyer that knows how to deal with these issues WE CAN WIN.....but it takes money...l.plz. Fight for what you know is right!
Joined Oct 2011
359 Posts | 0+
Columbia City, IN
Dennis,
I'm in for $100, PM me your address and I'll send the check tomorrow! Just got done baptising my new "doe fawn" today, Summer Rose, so I'm in a pretty good mood!
I'm in for $100, PM me your address and I'll send the check tomorrow! Just got done baptising my new "doe fawn" today, Summer Rose, so I'm in a pretty good mood!
No Todd thank you so much......dollars don't come to me...just getting pledges right now to see if there is an interests......sad to say it doesn't look good unfortunately.....
