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OH deer farms are now under Dept of Ag

Does Ohio have state vets that can inspect your herds?

In our state the state vet does the inspection and cost is zero to us. The DNR does still check our fence every year.
 
Not going to get into a debate here or a urinating match with anyone. But this big Accredited Certified and CWD monitored deer farmer only has 14 deer. I work very hard to provide for what I have and the decisions I have made in the deer farming business. No its not because the 14 deer cost me a fortune is why I only have 14. Limited space and selective breeding is why I am at a low number for right now.



When I got into deer farming in 2009 I talked to numerous farms before purchasing my first deer. I heard from tested farmers and non tested farmers alike. I did my research and decided to go with the testing program just in case it testing was going to be the new norm. Well guess what it is. Back then I could not buy a deer from a non tested herd just the same as today because that was my decision.



Now most of the non tested farmers I talked to then are still in the indusrty but they have replenished their herds with tested deer and are doing quite well selling deer now out of state.



Before the transfer I have heard Ohio deer farmers talk about the testing program knowing it was coming. Some have adpated and some are trying to understand how this process is going to work.



We all make the decisions we make based on what information we have at hand. We make the correct decisions or we don't its just what do you want to do with the incorrect decisions that you make.



We are stronger by uniting together not individuals. Like Mark stated the March meeting should be attended by everyone because there is strenght in numbers. Facts will be discussed. There should be a lot of questions to answer and myths put to rest. We do not have to raise holly cain. Just be there ask the questions your need answered. Get commitments on the unsure issues. Once the board members have many commitments to the farmer then he has the the voice of the farmer behind him when it comes to time to vote him in again. We all have a voice. We have a voice through those who say they can. If not there voice will be silent because it didn't happen.



I look at it this way now I don't have the extra expense to pay the DNR anymore for no services rendered except paying 40.00 a year for an inventory book.



ER the state vet fees are paid by the tax payers so their is no direct cost to us when he shows up on our farm. Guess we all are already paying for his services.



Hope to see everyone at the meeting.
 
Hunters Dream said:
Not going to get into a debate here or a urinating match with anyone. But this big Accredited Certified and CWD monitored deer farmer only has 14 deer. I work very hard to provide for what I have and the decisions I have made in the deer farming business. No its not because the 14 deer cost me a fortune is why I only have 14. Limited space and selective breeding is why I am at a low number for right now.



When I got into deer farming in 2009 I talked to numerous farms before purchasing my first deer. I heard from tested farmers and non tested farmers alike. I did my research and decided to go with the testing program just in case it testing was going to be the new norm. Well guess what it is. Back then I could not buy a deer from a non tested herd just the same as today because that was my decision.



Now most of the non tested farmers I talked to then are still in the indusrty but they have replenished their herds with tested deer and are doing quite well selling deer now out of state.



Before the transfer I have heard Ohio deer farmers talk about the testing program knowing it was coming. Some have adpated and some are trying to understand how this process is going to work.



We all make the decisions we make based on what information we have at hand. We make the correct decisions or we don't its just what do you want to do with the incorrect decisions that you make.



We are stronger by uniting together not individuals. Like Mark stated the March meeting should be attended by everyone because there is strenght in numbers. Facts will be discussed. There should be a lot of questions to answer and myths put to rest. We do not have to raise holly cain. Just be there ask the questions your need answered. Get commitments on the unsure issues. Once the board members have many commitments to the farmer then he has the the voice of the farmer behind him when it comes to time to vote him in again. We all have a voice. We have a voice through those who say they can. If not there voice will be silent because it didn't happen.



I look at it this way now I don't have the extra expense to pay the DNR anymore for no services rendered except paying 40.00 a year for an inventory book.



ER the state vet fees are paid by the tax payers so their is no direct cost to us when he shows up on our farm. Guess we all are already paying for his services.



Hope to see everyone at the meeting.
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Hi Jeff, I dont want to argue either, I just simply posted the facts as to what it cost this year to be legal to the state.



I am not sure what your talking about for the state vet, please enlighten me. If he comes to your farm and does the yearly required inspection for no charge then thats not what I have here for paperwork from the dept of ag.

They sent me a few pages of vets and thier phone numbers they will accept to do the yearly required pen inspections and count the deer for me, but any of the ones that are remotely close to me dont do it for free. They charge you a house call same as if you called them for your sick cow. I called all 3 vets around me and the lowest price is $250 to come to my farm ,sign the paper and count, it ranged up to $325 for the highest.



See I am just a "hobby" farm, I dont sell deer to hunting preserves and obviously dont sell out of state, they are simply more expensive pets then anything else. Theres also 2 more deer farms on my road that are the same thing as me. 1 more up from there but he has just shot all his deer with all this new rules in place, he refused to pay the money.



Please let me know about this state vet coming to your farm at no cost. thanx
 
We don't have to have a private vet do our inspections and then pay for it. In Indiana we have state vets that are paid by the state and they do our inspections.

Don

I don't know if Ohio has state vets or not but if you do, The meeting would be a good time to ask them why your inspections aren't being performed by them.
 
Don,

I was miss understanding ER to a point. The State Vet came to our place three times. The first time was to do our farm inspection when we started after the DNR made the initial inspection. The second and third was to test one of our deer when she had a suspect TB test which was cleared after his second visit. All three times there was no charge because he is paid by the state with our tax dollars.



But you are correct a local vet off that list will come out and do a herd inventory yearly.



We too did attend the Dept of AG meeting in Wooster. I am sorry I do not recall to much of the new farmers info that was coming into Ag. We was just focused on pre existing monitored herds. Just to make sure there was not any changes.



A Hobby Farm or a Business it does not matter we are Deer Farmers. We enjoy these wonderful creatures that the good Lord put on this earth. We have a few pets ourselves they are not going anywhere. They are a wonderful therapy when the stress levels get to high.



I hope you can find the time to come over to the spring meeting. You will definitely leave with more friends than you showed up with.
 
Thanx for the replies Jeff and Todd.



I think thats a excellant question to be raised, why we need to pay for a vet to come and count heads and inspect the pen at our expense if theres a state vet already that can do this.



I am just curious, am I the only one in Ohio who has:



1.) had a pen inspection done and head count from a private vet, (overall cost was $250 to do this).



2.) had a 2013 pen inspection and head count, records check, by the Div of wildlife for my lifetime prop permit



3.) paid the div of wildlife the $40 for the prop permit



4.) paid the dept of ag $25 for jan-march 2013 permit



5.) paid the dept of ag another $25 for march 2013-march 2014 permit





I am at $340 in fees to be legal to have these animals on my property for 2013-2014.
 
Well I'm still confused.



In order to sell, I must be enrolled in the monitoring program, but if I sell a shooter to a preserve, will my status lower his?



How much is it going to cost to dart tag and test 15 deer?



The last 2 bucks I had worked on were each over $ 400. and they died anyway.



If it's only $250 each, that's $4,000.00. I can't afford that, I guess I'll call the vet today.



It will be hard to kill them, but I have to eat too.
 
Whitepine Whitetails said:
Well I'm still confused.



In order to sell, I must be enrolled in the monitoring program, but if I sell a shooter to a preserve, will my status lower his?



How much is it going to cost to dart tag and test 15 deer?



The last 2 bucks I had worked on were each over $ 400. and they died anyway.



If it's only $250 each, that's $4,000.00. I can't afford that, I guess I'll call the vet today.



It will be hard to kill them, but I have to eat too.
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Forgive my ignorance, but just to clarify what you've written:

Have you been allowed to sell deer without being in some type of monitoring program up to now?

Have you needed to have all deer tagged up to now?

On a slightly different note- what did you do with the two bucks that cost over $400 each, and what happened? I can't imagine just darting deer, tagging and testing (drawing blood) would average out to $250 each, but it depends how long the vet is there. I believe the other poster was saying that it cost $250 for the vet to come out and do the herd inspection.
 
Whitepine Whitetails said:
http://youtu.be/-UEJhPdMOOM



Here's one woman's views on the Ohio Dept. of Ag., and it turns out they do have guns.....?
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well they(dept of ag) dont but they bring police with them and in the case of our deer will bring the div of wildlfife with them to enforce any rules/laws.



If you listen to the lady she says they brought police with them to the house, irregardless, its just bogus. I think that was something to do with the meat not being inspected or whatever, but it will surely trickle down to the deer farmer, just wait and see.
 
Whitepine Whitetails said:
Well I'm still confused.



In order to sell, I must be enrolled in the monitoring program, but if I sell a shooter to a preserve, will my status lower his?



How much is it going to cost to dart tag and test 15 deer?



The last 2 bucks I had worked on were each over $ 400. and they died anyway.



If it's only $250 each, that's $4,000.00. I can't afford that, I guess I'll call the vet today.



It will be hard to kill them, but I have to eat too.
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I was told by the head vet-Tony Forchese, that you could sell the deer to the hunting preserve only by way of special permit if your just a monitored farm like myself, he did not elaborate on if they had to have ear tags but by reading thier paperwork it says they must be tagged to move in the state. I believe that hunting preserves are the same status as you and I are, just monitored so it wont lower his(hunting preserves) status.

I would call him direct as the other girl who takes the calls at dept of ag really doesnt know the answers to many questions I asked with any technical degree, and she told me several things that were not correct, so call the head honcho to get your answer.



This is what I have been trying to get at, you cant sell now and the cost to do everything is crazy, and its all done at your/my expense! More people will see whats happening when they pay all the fees and see whats really now in place. I assume I am just one of the first to pay,pay and pay to be legal, more here will see by the end of this month when its all due. ( did ya see if your late its double the price as theres a 25 late fee on top of the current 25fee....lol)



I am told by others here I dont have a open mind and this is better for all of us....LOL.



I dont wear blinders and follow the other sheep into the slaughterhouse...:eek:



I have no quarell with any farmer here, we are all in this together. I merely am trying to help others see the light, soon enough some will see it, others wont, as thats how we have the same president elected again...:confused:
 
White pine, it will cost you even to put those bucks in your freezer now, if you have less then 10 deer in your herd, you must submit EVERY head of the deer if 1 yr old or older of age after death, no matter if you shoot it to put in the freezer... for testing of cwd, again, you call up your vet, give him the head, or have him come get it(house call charge again)and he sends it in to have tested. You pay the vet to do this, it aint free...lol



if you have more then 10 deer you must test 30% of the deaths or 30 total whichever is less. Again, call the vet and have him/her send in the head for testing. The vet is the middle man and really did nothing but forward it on to the dept of ag lab., you get the bill from the vet for services.........:D
 
Geez in Pa our Dept of Ag comes out to do yearly inspections, or to collect the heads of deer that die all at no cost.....at least that's the way it is for now......we do have to pay a fee for the CWD testing now.........it sounds like your Dept of Ag. is delegating a lot of their responsibilities off to the Vets who in turn are charging you.........
 
ddwhitetails said:
Geez in Pa our Dept of Ag comes out to do yearly inspections, or to collect the heads of deer that die all at no cost.....at least that's the way it is for now......we do have to pay a fee for the CWD testing now.........it sounds like your Dept of Ag. is delegating a lot of their responsibilities off to the Vets who in turn are charging you.........
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Wow, you got it good then Dennis! All the expense is put to the farmer here.



Honestly,I dont really have any problem with testing any dead deer heads for cwd, even if I shoot them. I just have a problem I cant send them in to them(dept of ags lab) myself, I have to pay a vet to be the middleman and he charges me $$ to do so, and alot of it!



( asked vet when he was here,he said he didnt have a price set yet for sending in sample to be tested,plus cost of the test, but thought it would be around $150-200 range!!!)



you wanna know what my prediction will be/happen in about 1-2 years time here in ohio, its gonna be the vets will charge whatever fee amount they want to because they know the deer farmers are now bound to get both the pen inspections and counts done yearly AND they also have to use the vets to get cwd test done on deaths/kills.

So think about it, theres no check and balances to keep them(vets) from charging super high prices, because you HAVE to use them for the services. No way around it, or you dont have a license to have deer.....
 
Don....Just as other have suggested in this post. You really should try to attend The Whitetail Deer Farmers of Ohio membership meeting this Sat the 9th in Dalton at the Buckeye Event Center. Admission is free and You can ask all your questions for no charge also. It will be a positive experience being around all the other deer farmers with the same passion and challenges as all of us. I live in Michigan but I am a WDFO member also and look forward to going just to see and shake hands with all my friends I now have in Ohio since getting into deer farming back in 2001. But I also attend because It Is getting harder and harder with excessive regulations constantly trying to be Imposed on us. I have the same concerns as all of us do. Hope to see you there.



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you know i was very much against the dept of ag take over at first much like yourself.unlike you i went to dept of ag meeting in wooster some weeks back and i learned alot of things about what was going on and what to expect.

one point that was brought up was the vet charging for the CWD checks on dead penned deer.there was a vet there that would take your heads and only charge what it costs to test.very good vet in the heart of ohio deer farming land.there also was talk of going directly to dept of ag and dropping it off there for testing.let me tell you one thing right now you need a new vet.you are being taken hard by who ever you are useing.

you speak of cost,i have 31 deer,5-6 have CWD tags when i got them so i must dart 24-25 deer,that is on me if i want to stay in deer farming.life is not easy and it is not fair sometimes,i learned this many years ago.

there is another meeting in dalton and i will be there trying to learn more of what is going on.you are correct in that is seems as if the cards are stacked against and in no way can we change things at these meetings but there is info there that can and will help you in farming your deer if you choose to keep at it.

the ag people seem to be willing to listen to us and work with us on certain items that were not off the wall.

at this point i am so glad the DNR is out of the picture.i have had them park up the road and try to sneak in on me,they pop in guns drawn the day i was sighting in my dart projector in the yard,they pop in at my house when they was told i work days and they show up in the morning,my mom and dad where here and he pumped them for info about my deer and how many i had,he tried to confuse them(they in their 70's)he tried his hardest to find in my paperwork that i had more deer than in my books,then it got really stupid the way he counted the deer agaist the book...the morrow county DNR guy getting his tape measure out and measuring the fence then saying it 2 inches short,saying a rabbit can get under the fence at one spot and under the gate also.this after it took them 5 months to come out to check it.so if it costs me a little money getting rid of DNR then so be it it was money well spent...

in short we are strong in numbers so please attend the meeting in dalton ohio on march 9 2013



and i can imagine this will be quoted and picked apart by narrow minded deer farmers.
 
Good post Tee.......you are correct in what you say......the DNR is against us with out a doubt.....our industry threatens their livelihood so why would they want to help us......you will find that in the long run being switched over to the Det. of Ag. Will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Deer Farmers in Ohio........they (the Dept. Of Ag.) need to get things in place and things should get better....the more the DNR gets un involved with the deer farmers the better things will be......
 
Ohio whitetails, its no problem, your entitled to your opinion/bad time expeirence about the div of wildlife, I am sure there are bad ones and then there are good ones(game wardens). I never had 1 bad time with any of the div of wildlife officers that came here in the 9-10yrs I have had deer, they were always very polite and nice. I always have had 9ft fence from the start and my paperwork and such was always kept in order, so they had no issue to "mess" with me maybe.



what I posted is factual truth and can be backed up by my checkbook stubs. Example,You have 3 times more deer then I do. I dont have any problem with any farmer here. If YOU choose to do testing and such on your deer to sell thats YOUR choice to do so and the cost associated with it. Your choice is now made mandatory for me and all the cost associated to do so have now have been forwarded to me as well. 1.)I dont sell deer, so you can see how I went from $40 a yr to have these things to just about $400 this yr, if one dies, it will be approx. $600 this yr.



$400 is almost 2 months of feed for me.



I think you should actually call a vet from tha paperwork list the dept of ag sent you and get some cost quoted to you. It wasnt just the one vet I used, they all were high in cost. I called all 3 that were within local driving distance to me and got prices, some were higher priced yet.

Do you think one(vet) would charge less money thats more then 20-30 miles away from here, it would be less cost to come to the farm and check/complete yearly paperwork?



As I said, your certainly entitled to your own view,but I know your not going to get less rules in place, youll only get more rules and regulations imposed by the dept of Ag. in the future. Once the bill is written, they dont remove the regulations, no matter how many meetings you have and go to be indoctrinated that your now better off then you were last year.



Please let me know where I posted 1 thing thats NOT factual on here about the cost rise and the new rules that I and all of us now have to abide by now.



Thanx for your reply.
 
is there a certain time when this meeting will take place?also brookfielddon has some interesting points about costs we face to even stay in deer farming.

dept of ag people really didnt give a rats *** about our cost or even if those costs put us out of deer farming.they just wanted little tags in the deer ear and was about it.so that is CWD program is to put tags in a deers ear.it does burn me that i must spend alot of money to stay in deer farming...

on the other hand the dnr is out of the deer farming and i think that is worth the extra pain from putting stupid state cwd tags in the deers ear.then like brookfielddon stated that a vet has to come out and check them-that pretty stupid also.what does the dept of ag think we will do?somehow cheat?i dont see it.

i do want to to this meeting to hear what who ever has to say about the ag take over.
 
Yeah Brookfieldon........actually here in Pa...if you have a deer die on your farm you have three options.......you can take the deers head into the Dept. of Ag. Yourself.....or you can call them and they come and collect the head...actually they just take the lymph nodes and brain stem..but it is at no cost right now...Or your third option is they will train you on how to take out the lymph nodes or brain stem and you then become certified and you can send in the samples yourself.........and they do come every year for an inspection again at no cost.........we do pay for the cwd testing but that payment goes to the state vet.........I think that is around 25.00........again, something just doesn't sound right with your Dept. Of Ag. it sounds to me like they are trying to pawn a lot of their responsibilities off on the vets......and the vets are glad to gain the extra business.......I hope things can get reslolved at this meeting.......I would be upset if things here were the way you explain they are there! But I don't know where things are headed now with all the CWD crap that has happened here in PA........
 

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