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Rompam without reversal?????? sound nuts?

Wow!!! Can't believe you admitted that. Now that takes some courage.
 
He's also the 2nd politician to whom I've ever contributed any money for their campaign. Don't ask me who the 1st one was! hehhehe. He was recently impeached from office in IL.... yikes.
 
It just scares me period that anyone one thinks Obama is good in any way! he has done more damage in one term than any president of the past........God help us if he has a second term.......he won't be distracted with trying to get reelected and will really focus on screwing this country up for good! Sorry Lanasvet but he is by far one of...if not the worst president to ever sit in the oval office!! You need to really look hard at what he has done to this country since he took office and then if you still think he is a good man....well......I won't go there.........Happy New Year Lanasvet.......
 
WOW, Anyone who would actually admit to donating money to this ***** and actually think he's doing a good job needs to wake up...... Name one, just one good thing he's done or is even trying to do. This isn't some joke about voting for the hip cool guy because "he's from your neck of the woods", this is the future lives and freedoms of us and of our children he's working hard at ruining. Thousands of people died for us fighting for those freedoms and to be able to have the life we have today, I for one take that dam serioius......



Cody Warne
 
OK seriously... it will be a complete waste of my time to argue with some people here re the man I voted for, for President, who thank God won and beat out that feeble-minded ***** and his brilliant cohort from Alaska... Those great Americans who so well protect the freedoms we are allowed in this country, right? aha. yeah- sell it to someone whose IQ is less than my deer's- I'm not buyin' this rhetoric. What good has Obama done? He has averted further war, has taken out major terrorists, has intelligently proposed macroeconomic recovery models to battle this severe recession in which we find ourselves following 8 years of Bush leadership. Don't get me started on bank regulators who were slacking and allowed to slack, all in the name of a "Free Market" capitalist-model-based economy. Save me the repetitive rhetoric buddy, I'm in no mood for this republican ********. Good night- and don't blame Obama if any of your deer suddenly develop symptoms that are inexplicable by you, because you can't figure out what is wrong with them, and what may have caused the issues, and further, how to begin to help them to recover. I am not joking about anything- Obama and his camp are top-notch people, with excellent training to address the plethora of issues that they face on a daily basis, with eloquence, respectful discussion and assessment of the issues, and have taken responsible and competent steps to alleviate our many problems. Most of which stem from republican-misrun-financial institutions.



And I'd really like to know... would you have let the banks fail? If so, the life you have today would be seriously worse than the one you would have if all of your investments and assets had disappeared over night. If you knew any of Obama's advisors, as I do, than you would be sure that he has brilliant people doing their best to get us out of this mess within the next decade, hopefully. Although it took almost 20 years and a world war to dig us out of the 1929 debacle...



When I hear this rhetoric about our "American way of life" being called into question because we have a president who happens to be a democrat, and not a daddy's boy-former-alcoholic-below-average-thinker, I get scared at the thought of how we, as an "educated" workforce are ever going to pull ourselves out of this hole we're in? I think we have a long way to go when it comes to our level of aptitude and ability to truly comprehend the present issues with which we are faced. The primary one of which is a poorly-educated populace.
 
Your President who doesn't say the pledge,salute OUR flag and doesn't like the use of GOD or Merry Christmas and broke standing tradition to lay the wreath at the tomb of the "unknown" soldier!.............Oh how eliquint his intelect is to...........MY COUNTRY!!!

I respectfully ......................Just puked!:rolleyes:
 
Lanasvet,

You can be serious all you want........you can be democrat all you want.......you can say all you want......BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM. DONT YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT DISRESPECTING THEM ON THIS FORUM! You don't like our soldiers fighting for what OUR Country stands for then get the H@ll out of here and go see what it's like to live in a country that just sticks it's head in the sand anytime there is a threat to the world. You and all your Democrat friends have a warped way of thinking.....always have and always will!! Our country has fought in many wars and has asked for nothing in return........we have tried to pass on our freedom to those who have never had the chance to experience what freedom is all about. I can't stand people who disrespect our Men and Women of uniform who are the very backbone of this country and what we stand for!

I wish I would have bet someone before your post above because I knew your response would have had blamed the previous administration for all the current problems we are in.....that's what you Democrats are good at......fixing nothing and then blaming all the problems on someone else! Your very short list above about obamas accomplishments is a JOKE! I would need another hour to cover all the things this moron has done wrong since he took office! I don't need to list them because unfortunately we are currently experiencing the mess right now in our everyday lives! The scariest part of it all is there are people out there like yourself Lanasvet that honestly think this loser in office is a good choice.......THAT IS DOWN RIGHT SCARY! I will give you one thing about your unpatriotic, disrespectful,cowardly,self-centered moron you put into office Lanasvet......he did promise change and he is bound and determined to change the way this country has been since our founding fathers and your dumb enough to go along with it! HE AND HIS CRONIES HAVE GOT TO GO BEFORE THEY TAKE THIS COINTRY ANY FURTHER INTO THE GROUND TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN!
 
Dennis the blood pressure pills are in the cupboard on the right hand side. They are the little yellow ones...lol.... Great words and they are talkin him up right now on the good morning america show!!!! Another joke!!!
 
Where Dennis, in my post did I mention our soldiers or fighting a war, or upholding democratic ideals? Your post is yet again out-of-line... By the way, we Americans did not invent democracy, and people all over the world believe that they have to fight for their freedoms when they go to war. Freedom is also not an American concept.



I will say this directly- DON'T EVER CALL INTO QUESTION MY RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PROTECT MY RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.



You have no idea who Barack Obama is, or how competent his key advisors are, all that you are writing and spewing is a bunch of fundamentalist rhetoric. I will not waste my intelligence writing to you any further about any of this. You would be well-advised to stick to deer topics- perhaps you know something more about caring for them. I dunno...
 
Lanasvet,

I agree.....it is a waste of time for either of us to go on with this topic.......you have your warped way of thinking and it won't be changed by what I say........However, I will say this direct to you........You DID disrespect our men and women in uniform in your previous post.......THAT is a disgrace and un American in itself!! Your way of thinking is wrong....YOUR ideals are WRONG! And finally YOUR SO CALLED PRESIDENT IS WRONG IN EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE. FINALLY LANASVET, DON'T WORRY ABOUT WASTING ANY INTELLIGENCE AS ANYONE WHO WOULD SUPPORT SUCH AN ***** THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OFFICE.......HAS NO INTELLIGENCE TO WASTE.
 
This thead is about the use of xylazine without telazol...........Obama would be the only exception to using straight xylazine. Nuff said!
 
Scott, you are right...........but that little dig at the end might lose you one vote should you run for president......lol!!:D:D
 
(Your Quote)Those great Americans who so well protect the freedoms we are allowed in this country, right? aha. yeah- sell it to someone whose IQ is less than my deer's- I'm not buyin' this rhetoric.



I'm sorry but this sounds like a slam to our military, maybe not intended that way but have to take it the way it sounds



You have the right to be democrat or anything else and i do not believe anyone on these posts would want to take that right away from you, but they would like to turn you in the right direction, You could also believe in allah if you like, but I believe in the ONE and only LIVING GOD not a dead one..... and hope you do too....Jesus Loves You and so do we....
 
Lanasvet said:
I would vote for Scott even if he were a Republican, let's just put it in real terms... I read that the only known real treatment for Capture Myopathy is the "A" drug in BAM. THat A drug apparently has some nice affects on stressed out and aggressive deer . . .





The "A" drug you are referring in BAM is a drug called Azaperone it is a Butyrophenone Tranquilizer we use the drug along with other tranquilizers such as haloperidol on all the animals we catch whether it is by means of chemical capture, mass capture or netgun capture, in laymans terms is calms the animal down reducing the onset of CM, it works better on certain species than it does on others.
 
Now don't go changing the subject Capchaman...LOL...wait, I guess you didn't! LOL

How in the world did this thread of ''Rompam without reversal?????? sound nuts?'' go to ''Obama w/o reversal?????? sound nuts?'' or ''Reverse Obama?????? sounds great!''? :)

Strong opinions are certainly not a bad thing, and blowing off some steam once in awhile, probably not so crazy bad either...we are human. I just hope that when the smoke all clears that we do our best to remember that love and forgiveness are the 2 most important components and strengths of our lives as we navigate life in this fallen world.

Now I don't follow politics much at all, maybe I should. Does one man actually ''run'' the country? Can one man, ie the President, actually take all the credit for the bad, or the good that happens when he's in office? Like I said, I don't follow politics, so I don't really know.

I do believe this with strong conviction - No matter who is in what office, MONEY reigns and rules the day! We all know that you must be extremely wealthy to run for President. Ever wonder what it would be like to have more of a commoner in office...someone that makes $30 to $60,000 a year? And not only the Presidency, but all those in Congress as well. The question to ponder here is ''Why/when would an extremely wealthy person ever vote money out of his/her pocket and into mine or yours???''

The ''Declaration of Independence''...I love it!

BUT...what I would love even more is a world wide ''Declaration of DEPENDENCE'' on the Lord Jesus Christ...for His wisdom, for His ways, for His love and the ''administration'' thereof!!! This ''Declaration'' my friends, would INDEED fix it ALL!!!
 
I put my trust in Gods kingdom not mans. Satan is the ruler of this world so all government must be under his influence.
 
Lanasvet

I noticed the whole thread on "aggrssve deer" has been deleted ??

I commented on the use of azaperone (streznil) for stopping agression especially for having to group or yard animals.



Azaperone works fast, its cheap it has a witholding period of only 6 hours prior to slaughter.

Fast is good,other LAN's can take several hours to work & last many days,this can also be good in some situations.



PCM cannot be cured or reversed only prevented.

Stress can be measured in animals by the amount of stress hormones or lactates in the blood.

The easiest explaination is to compare how your body feels in the days after heavy or prolonged exercise you are not conditioned to.This build up of acid or lactates is minor compared to PCM in animals.

Animals can handle pain better than us but cannot rationalise fear the same.Terror kills & may take several days or weeks.LAN's can prevent this if used correctly.



I always reverse xylazine.

I often use azaperone with xylazine (never mix with zoletil/telazol) on red deer (& the sub species).This is for red deer & dependent on the situation,witholding etc,& allows me to reverse the xylazine in the deer without the wait needed when using a cyclohexane.



If I expect a species may have fear or experience terror during a capture/procedure I will consider azaperone as one option to prevent this.

Azaperone can also be useful in having a hind /doe accept another calf /fawn which has been mismothered by its own dam.



Zoletil/telazol has a benzodiazepine as part of its brew.This helps with PCM & other negatives from cyclohexanes.It lasts many hours after the xylazine has been reversed & tiletamine metabolised.It is slower to be absorbed than the tiletamine & this is just another reason to wait 45 mins for the titetamine to metabolise & diazepam to kick in before reversing the xylazine.

Others on here have recomended reversing the xylazine as soon as possible when using it with zoletil/telazol.I would wait 45 mins,the "ketamine effect" would not be plesant.



A good vet is worth their weight in gold.They are out there,& when you find one treat them like gold.



Happy New Year

Sharkey
 

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