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We Had A Attack On Our Deer This Morning

I lost 29 to a dog a few years back, he kept coming back until I shot him. Sounds like dogs, coyotes dont really bother. Shoot Shovel Shut up!
 
Here is another great link. Robbie gave some really good advice here too:



http://www.deerforums.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2717&highlight=fracture



When my doe broke her leg, I read so many posts that my head was spinning from all of the information. I called 3 renowned DEER VETS in Illinois and IN and they all advised me to AT LEAST splint the leg for a few weeks. Hence, based on the professional opinions of these vets (Dr. Shipley from Univ. of IL and Dr. McFarland from Wyoming, IL) my advice is NOT to allow nature to take its course, and to SPLINT her front leg.



Also remember that if pressure sores develop, to use GRANULEX spray as a debriding solution (several times daily)- this will help remove the "dead" skin and tissue that might arise, and will kill the bacteria.



Again, my doe NEVER developed a fever or an infection thanks to the Excede and the Banamine, and the Granulex.
 
Dave,



I know some guys that are close to us that hunt coyote all the time. I could give them a call for you?
 
Dave there a chance they are dogs , The reason I say that is the dogs get so work up they just yelp.They have deer smell in there nose, sure thing they will be back. Get a nine jewel electric fence A SAP, that wiil knock them off there feet. Run low wire 10" off the ground and another 2 1/2 feet , plus set the wire out 3 to 4 feet from the fence. Set traps on all corner of your fence. That real help you alot , but get a barrier up on your fence if you can that help alot. And as the bottom of your fence poure dry concrete right on the middle of your fence and just let the rain set up your concrete, it work great. Make sure you put two ground copper pipe in the ground before the electric box and after . Lighting love to knock them out.I had a bad dog problem.I have watch my deer when a coyote howel right at dark there alert but I never had a problem with them hitting the fence.But a dog all hell break loose.
 
Lanasvet said:
re: splint



Dave, a front leg splint below the joint is a much easier one to make. You just have to immobilize the joints above and below the fracture. Seriously, any large animal vet can do the splint for you. I have seen many make shift splints on this forum (see: http://www.deerforums.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2879&highlight=splint), and if you do searches you will see others, but what I know from personal experience is that a lot of cotton padding is used to cover and protect the leg from pressure points that will be created from whatever it is you use to immobilize her joints. Some people have successfully used PVC pipe cut lengthwise and sanded smooth at the edges (of course), others (like me) have had to call vets in, and they set the bone and splinted with plastic molded for dog's legs. The best case would have been to take my doe to a Vet hospital, large animal clinic and to have the bone pinned and then fiberglass (read waterproof) cast made for her. This was too costly for me, and I decided to engage the vet to make splints for her. Ideally, they should be changed as soon as they become wet. MOST IMPORTANT THING is to make sure that if you tape her hoof, you DO NOT tape it too tightly --- because you don't want to cut off her circulation, however THE HOOF if taped, MUST BE TAPED IN A FULLY EXTENDED POSITION (NOT BENT). Do some searches on the forum, you will find many splint examples.



My personal, NON-PROFESSIONAL opinion, based on my own experience with my deer, is that YOU SHOULD APPLY A SPLINT FOR AT LEAST 2-3 WKS and thus allow her to have some support. You may need to set the bone straighter than it is hanging right now also. The night before the vet splinted my doe, I literally had to snuggle up next to her and to turn her entire right hind leg to face forward because when she initially bedded down, her hind leg was facing 180 degrees (backwards) instead of facing flush forward with her other (normal) leg. For me, a city girl, this was very hard to do. I also gave my doe fawn (at the time ~60 lbs), 3 adult Bayer aspirins, and prayed that she'd make it through the night. In the morning she stood up, and sucked down 3 full gerber bottles of formula (the night before she refused to drink her milk). I knew that the aspirins had done their job. I continued to give her aspirins for a month afterward, and also have her a shot of Excede SQ each week for 3 wks. She NEVER developed an infection despite having rather extensive pressure sores which she licked clean as soon as the 2nd splint was removed. It was a hellish experience that I don't wish upon anyone. My heart goes out to you and your wife. I hope this helps.

FYI-- Scott Heinrich (on the forum) really is one of the top people to contact with medical questions.
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Thanks for all the great advise based on your own experience. It always helps to talk to somebody that has gone through this. I will get all my ducks in a row today and be able to make a decision on what to do next about her leg.
 
warrenwhitetails said:
I lost 29 to a dog a few years back, he kept coming back until I shot him. Sounds like dogs, coyotes dont really bother. Shoot Shovel Shut up!
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That sounds like a nightmare, what happened to you Jim. If it is dogs instead of coyotes it might be easier for me to catch the culprits.
 
Deepwoods said:
Dave there a chance they are dogs , The reason I say that is the dogs get so work up they just yelp.They have deer smell in there nose, sure thing they will be back. Get a nine jewel electric fence A SAP, that wiil knock them off there feet. Run low wire 10" off the ground and another 2 1/2 feet , plus set the wire out 3 to 4 feet from the fence. Set traps on all corner of your fence. That real help you alot , but get a barrier up on your fence if you can that help alot. And as the bottom of your fence poure dry concrete right on the middle of your fence and just let the rain set up your concrete, it work great. Make sure you put two ground copper pipe in the ground before the electric box and after . Lighting love to knock them out.I had a bad dog problem.I have watch my deer when a coyote howel right at dark there alert but I never had a problem with them hitting the fence.But a dog all hell break loose.
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Steve, I plan on putting up the electric fence as soon as the ground thaws and I am also considering the sight berrier. Great info. on setting the electric fence up!
 
I had 4-5 attacks over a couple of months. He left for a month and then got the last 10. Good article in the next Heart Beat magazine about it and Sudden Explosion.
 
Digging canines is one problem that fence like Mike described will help deter, I have that too. But, a few thoughts. I have fox squeeze through the fence all the time... I saw it again this morning in the snow...but the fox might eat mice or deer droppings, but normally dont bother the deer at all. In my opinion most times you have whole herd damage is when a dog or dogs runs and runs around your perimeter and get ALL the deer spooked. Dogs can keep this up for quite a long time. Some type of cover INSIDE the pen helps the deer feel safe from detection, when its dogs. Also, Ive yet to see or hear dogs bark ar deer as much as just run the hell out of them with little vocalization. I have coyotes travel through often, but to my knowledge, no problems with them. Id say check the ground for tracks, and check the neighbors. Then...QUIETLY go from there...
 
Oh yeah, and the low and medium strands of HOT wire too. Document every injury in case the law gets involved, too.
 
One can of Grapico + one 8 pack of weiners + Golden Marlin equals dead animals, any animal that eats it. Put away from pen since it will attract animals. You will probably see the animals lying within sight of the attractant.
 
NYBill said:
Digging canines is one problem that fence like Mike described will help deter, I have that too. But, a few thoughts. I have fox squeeze through the fence all the time... I saw it again this morning in the snow...but the fox might eat mice or deer droppings, but normally dont bother the deer at all. In my opinion most times you have whole herd damage is when a dog or dogs runs and runs around your perimeter and get ALL the deer spooked. Dogs can keep this up for quite a long time. Some type of cover INSIDE the pen helps the deer feel safe from detection, when its dogs. Also, Ive yet to see or hear dogs bark ar deer as much as just run the hell out of them with little vocalization. I have coyotes travel through often, but to my knowledge, no problems with them. Id say check the ground for tracks, and check the neighbors. Then...QUIETLY go from there...
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I am hearing this from a lot of people also Bill. The consensus seems to be people seem to think a dog would do this over a coyote. Thanks for your help.
 
alabowhunter said:
One can of Grapico + one 8 pack of weiners + Golden Marlin equals dead animals, any animal that eats it. Put away from pen since it will attract animals. You will probably see the animals lying within sight of the attractant.
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I Edited my part of this message cause the material was suited for the members only forum.
 
Dave,



If you have a perimeter fence, guard donkeys are the way to go! Jennies are the best next to gildings. Males with their junk are way too aggressive. I am currently using a miniature mule that is big for a mini. He chases everything that is not supposed to be in his fence. They are VERY territorial and will defend it FIERCELY! He is very tame and seems to hang around my deer pens constantly which I love! Don't seem to bother us at all. They do Bray a lot, but all that is, is "Stay out of My Area"!!! It's cool because he (Spencer) cent marks by rolling on the ground in the same places on all corners of the pen. They also pee and poop in selected locations as cent marking. His eyes and ears are invaluable to me while asleep and at work. I just started out deer farming and couldn't imagine ever doing it without Spencer or another one like him! He is definitely the first one on the scene when there is a disturbance!
 
Also,,, people will just about give you one if you look around at all. I tossed the electric fence idea around for a while. You have costs + labor + power bill. A donkey needs nothing but grass and water.
 
grapico+hot dogs+gold marlin---do you mix the gold marlin in the grapico or in the hot dogs,have white doe tore up from trying to go trough fence,so must take care of business,what is the grapico for?can't just mix GM with the hot dogs,thanks for the ansewers
 

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