Biggest Typical

Well good luck with your AIing then Paul and when you get babies I want to see the pics! One thing you will notice off the bat is that they have super long legs. Also, I was talking with a vet who said research has shown some sires have the ability to produce fawns that develop more rapidly in-utero and ironically enough, it seems like the Hardcore fawns come first here. I was comparing notes with another gentleman who used Hardcore along with a number of other sires and said ALL of his Hardcore babies were born first. Isn't that so interesting?



Well, sorry I got of the 'TYPICAL' topic here. In addition to that, I HAVE to turn off this beeping notification every time there is a new post. I am getting absolutely NOTHING done today!

Hey guys and gals, don't read to much into this this question. This is not a loaded question or a B&C -vs- SCI thing or anything like that. A while ago Sam brought up the question about beating the B&C record typical and how few bucks out there could actually do it. We just figured that since the velvet is now off and alot of guys have had their bucks down to draw them and what not, we would see if anyone had a buck that would score better than 213 5/8" net typical B&C. As Paul said, when we sell our shooters it's B&C score that counts, so I'm assuming most of us have a pretty good idea how to do it. Just a simple question, nothing more.



On a side note Holly, I'm hoping and praying that the Lap takes to Hardcore. We're putting him our PA Geronimo daughter that has Walk's Magnum and Tami on the bottom side, we think it should be a pretty good cross, and I will defiantly send you pics of the fawns if it takes. As Paul said, she's our best looking doe (she has great markings and about 1 inch buttons on her head) and the fawns should be awsome.

Holly, could you post a scoresheet for Maxbo and Hardcore? I'll convert them to Net B&C typical. It would be interesting to see what they Net Typical B&C. The only reason the topic came up was because of the talk of the perfect clean typical. I don't support Boone and Crocket either but its net typical category is good for that topic. I really don't think there are any in the idustry that beat the Milo Hanson buck. Lets see if Maxbo and Hardcore do. Remember that you have to deduct the differences AND all the extra inches.

So if Hardcore has 297 Gross typical, that means he has about 66 extra inches. So if he has a 262 net typical and you subtract the 66 extra inches you arrive at less than 200 for his NET TYPICAL SCORE. I KNOW hardcore and Maxbo are the biggest typical GROSSING deer ever grown (and I love these deer). But NET TYPICAL Boone and Crocket is an entirely different animal and I still don't think there is a deer in the industry that beats the Milo Hanson buck. Remember he was a HUGE, HUGE, long beamed and tined 6X6 with almost no extras and very little side to side difference.



And although the Net Typical buck discussion is interesting, I don't want to breed for it. I want Gross SCI typicals like Hardcore, Maxbo, and Maxbo 727. Score still pays!!!



Also, at our recent SCI scoring class they said that a buck can be entered into either category. Its up to the owner/hunter. The percentages no longer apply! I just don't think you can enter them into both!



Also, what did Maxbo 727 score this year? We are getting DNA back soon. I hope we have lots of Maxbo, Hardcore, and Maxbo 727 babies. They are my favorite 3 deer!

Well put Sam. It is my opoinion that Hardcore is the best looking Typical ever, but net BC takes away a lot of inches.Nets are for fish. Lets give the animals credit for everything they put on thier head.

Bambi Oxbow -



We haven't knocked him down yet this year, but can tell you he was 217" gross last year as a typical 6x5 with very few other deductible inches. Here is this years picture, he is a main frame 6x6, almost no trash. I'll let you know once we have him scored.

Nice buck Robbie, he is a stud.



One buck that I don't think anybody has mentioned that is mostly typical..NOBLE!! Does anybody know what he would score as a typical. I would say out of 323" SCI that he should beat the 213" Hanson buck.

What happened to "Shock n Awe" being the new record typical, as posted on Whitetail Exchange Wednesday Night Sales the past several weeks???

Steve that's a good question I forgot about that one. Maybe he can post a score sheet for us. Jack as awesome as Noble is I think he has to many deduction. Maybe the buck from Texas called "2 Wide" he looks like he might have a shot. Were around 1200 views and no clear winner yet. That says a lot for a wild deer. I know we base everything on gross score but what would a hunter pay to shoot a typical who's net score is higher than the Hanson buck. Sam I'm not giving up till I find one.

How about Michigan Weapon he should be close.

Sam- Those are good points.... I have no clue about B&C typical so if you can give me a fax number, I will fax it to you as my scanner is on the blink. Or, I can type it out and email it to you too. Let me know which is easier.



Maxbo 727 is being drawn and scored today. I will post his score as soon as I hear.



Robbie- Bambi Oxbow is beautiful!!!



PS- Sam..... Isn't it weird that if you already deduct his 60 some inches of extras from his gross and all of the inches from the tines, mass and beam that is larger that you should have to deduct 60 some inches again???

I know that scoring a deer by using the B&C method is really different than the the way we score in the pens.



I have a deer on the wall that I killed in 1994 that his offficial net score is 166 2/8, as a 7x5. He is a HUGE deer, and would love to have a pen full ones like him. Sounds wierd I would like to have a pen full of 166" deer doesn't it.When you see his size and frame, you would never think he would net 166". If it wasn't for a extra G-5 that was 4 2/8 long, he would have made the "AllTime" book and netted 170 2/8.



I will try to post a pic tonight, and you will be able to see the difference.

I suspect Hardcore will crush the Hanson bucks score.

Holly,



With Boone and Crocket, it is crazy that they "deduct" all the extra points away from the "Net Score". If you took a hammer and saw and started to remove all of Hardcores extra character points he would GAIN in net typical score!



So with each whack of the hammer, he would go up. Whack a point.... score goes up....Whack another point...score goes up some more.....just don't whack the typical points!



Really Crazy!

Sam- That is why I am confused.....



OK, here goes the hammer wacking off all of his non-typical points. Heck lets wack off his G7, G8 and G9 altogether. Along with that let's wack away at any mass measurements that are larger than the oposite side. Now, let's take the hammer and wack each point that is longer than the oposite side so that they match exactly along with the beams.



What I am left with is a perfect net typical 7 x 7 that scores 262". Nothing but beams and clean uptines on each side that match perfectly with the oposite side.



With B&C, do we have to deduct more than that? I have already stripped away everything aside from his typical 7 x 7 frame. If a guy has to strip from that, it is just wrong



I emailed you his score sheet. Let me know what you come up with.

This buck scored 206 3/8" B&C very typical.

Holly, B&C in the Typical category is set up to show the worlds most perfect whitetail. Unfortunately for us that is what 90% of the hunting world goes by. That is also why the Hanson buck is so tough to beat.

If you took a mirror and held it up to Hardcores most typical side and took off any (trash) he would be the #1. I dont want a totally clean typical,But a huge frame with trash in the right places is what I like.If I cant please myself then how can I expect to sale someone else on anything?Even if we try to produce completely clean typs, it wont happen very often.The Hanson buck happened to grow the exact configuration with almost no trash and a mirror image side to side. On top of that he never broke any thing off,even though he had a spindly frame for a deer with that score.Milo Hansons first shot hit the buck in the main beam between the G1 and G2 but didnt break the beam.The odds of all of these things coming together are unreal.That buck fits perfectly into the scoring system that B&C has devised for net typs.Dont get me wrong , I'm not complaining.I have never met a Whitetail that I didnt like.

I think the Boone and Crocket scoring system stinks. Why should you have to deduct inches from a deer. I think they should get credit for what they grow. I agree with the non-typical and typical class but all the deductions are crazy.

Nick Biser

Team Biser Whitetails

what about 2028? He is a monster typical. Over 4 feet outside. He is clean also

Holly

By the way I think Hardcore is a monster.

Now you have to take all the points you cut off of him and deduct that from his score of 262" not the side to side different measurements because you already did that, but the extra stuff.

How do you measure SCI. Is it grose B&C. Where you take all measurements and don't deduct anything.

Thank you

Darin