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Hey guys,

The rehabber now has less than 20 WT's. Recently, my Rosa got her own babies to care for. So now I am personally responsible for 3. I will say that of the deer the rehabbers have had for over 7-9 years now, two bucks have finally gained back their weight, but 4 of the does are still having problems with bloody stools. I developed my own feed mix with additional minerals for my girl and vaccinate with recommendations made by top DVMs in the field. I don't overdo anything, but I need to get on board with more probiotics I suppose. The rehabbers have beautiful pens, filled with trees and shadecloth everywhere, and the animals are fed beautifully. Pens are however in need of some more attn recently, more lime and woodchips- which we are working on now. I've gotten the county to donate their tree woodchip reserves to the rehabber's farm. The pens look great, but need more lime. I learned about lime from my neighbors who are horse and sheep farmers, wonderful people who descend from a long line of animals caretakers. Animal husbandry is a field that really interests me now that I am in the thin and thick of it (on weekends in particular).



So far my Rosa is well, although her coat is a little rough looking around her neck. I have de-wormed her with Cydectin pour-on recently and think perhaps this might have something to do with it- but can't be sure. I also regularly apply "fly killer" or Cylence to her to protect her from midges.



Dennis, I have only been taking care of my deer Rosa for two full years now. I have no prior deer or large animal experience- I am a city person at heart. I will say that NOW, I have a good amount of experience with my big girl and have talked to a lot of good people who have taught me about animals. I know enough to keep Rosa healthy and well-nourished, and have made good relationships with some really highly-respected deer DVMs in my state (all students of the UofI). The main DVM being Dr. Shipley at the UofI who has been extremely generous to me with his time and effort. Also Dr. Ables of Texas who has not even once, declined to respond even though he's working tirelessly with his paying clients and trying to develop a vaccine for EHD, etc. I have never met a man who regularly performs transfusions on deer... Some of the vets around here don't even know how to properly anesthetize an animal prior to surgery.



The other day, I even learned how to do an IV drip and I hope to continue to get better and smarter. I don't think I'll ever be as knowledgeable about deer as are most farmers, or certainly not as knowledgeable as our gentleman Aussie farmer Sharkey who is lightyears ahead of most of us, but I will give it my best, when time allows. My goal is to export some WTD to my parents' homeland and to help rebuild that industry in Central and Southern Europe which has a loooong hunting tradition- thousands of years. I will never personally hunt the animal, but I respect the tradition of the sport. Wish me luck!
 
Lanasvet,

Don't worry about your deers coat around her neck.....I am certain she is starting to grow her winter coat and this being said her summer coat is falling out.....all the Whitetails coats look a little rough during this process......if you look real close you will see the darker winter coat starting to grow underneath......but it almost gives the deer an appearance of having mange........not to worry she is fine.....
 
Thanks Dennis. Rosa didn't look like this last year, when she was at my place. This year she looks big and healthy, but her hair looks funky. Dr. Shipley told me that he thinks she is missing some minerals. I tend to agree- b/c she licks the heck outta her mineral block... She is not getting enough forage, and she does not have enough trees in her pen... She does have a nice, very well insulated shed that my dad built for her though, that has a fan blowing into it... it's not airconditioned like her poolhouse was though... hehehhee no wonder she's losing hair, I'd look a bit mangey too if I didn't have my a/c cooling me all day...
 
Lanasvet said:
My goal is to export some WTD to my parents' homeland and to help rebuild that industry in Central and Southern Europe which has a loooong hunting tradition- thousands of years. I will never personally hunt the animal, but I respect the tradition of the sport. Wish me luck!



G'day Lanasvet, should you decide to do something with the indigenous "Jelen" as well keep in mind I have several hundred straws of C e pannonensis still in the tank,collected from captured animals in the eighties when the curtain was still up.These stags were named "Drava","Kovar","Mostar" & "Dr Brna".They had no western red deer in their genetics,& were big, silver coated, long legged,320 kg plus stags, I believe these may have some conservation value & happy to give some to a restoration project.



These Yugo's (320kgs) didn't do as well down here as English red deer (180kgs) or German (250kgs) as they are better grazers than browsers.They also have a reputation as being bad tempered.Temperament is important to the velvet industry.They found use in the trophy industry by increassing the length of antlers in generic "red deer".A red deer with antlers longer than 38" will have Jelen or elk in its pedegree.The easy recipie for trophy reds is a Yugo (for length & strong beys)X German(for weight) stag,over an English (for points on the crown) hind.The offspring will pick up the best dominant traits of each,however they dont breed true,so maintaining pure lines to produce these crosses has value.This last point is lost on many breeders who dont understand heritability,& has led to the pollution of many wild herds,as well meaning folk/hunters tip in animals thinking it will improve a herds trophy value.



If you are going to bring Whitetail there, remember there are many subspecies,I would suggest staying with a pure subspecies rather than the "generic" whitetail. Most hunters just want "big horns" however these projects usually involve many stakeholders & interests beyond those just interested in hunting. By staying with pure types, the conservation or restoration of a "type" or subspecies of deer can be a colateral benefit,& help gain it support & acceptance from the non hunters.Working with indigenous animals is much easier than exotics.



Cheers Sharkey
 
Find a way to keep an oil based chemical on the deer. We are running our misting unit usually once a week. It sprays them from nose to tail, so if you get a tine broke it will keep the maggots away. The deer will also grow better if they aren't stressed with flies and other parasites. My unit is motion activated, so it puts the chemical on the animal, not on the fencerows. I think the stress from the heat this year has only added to the problem, and most ppl are seeing ehd n blue tongue earlier than ever. This means the worst may not be over. Back when I was getting hit every year I couldn't find much that would help with ehd, but with blue tongue I would try to get electrolites in them and give them bread, cookies, and candy. Anything easy to swallow. www.opt-to-mist.com

Thanks, Travis

270-784-5012
 
Sharkey, you may as well be speaking a foreign tongue... hehehehe.

amazing what knowledge you have... May I ask, did you study veterinary science or a subject in a related field? lana
 
Lanasvet said:
Sharkey, you may as well be speaking a foreign tongue... hehehehe.

amazing what knowledge you have... May I ask, did you study veterinary science or a subject in a related field? lana



School of "Hard knocks".



Cheers Sharkey
 
I think I had my first case of EHD this year. This morning I went to feed my bucks and had a yearling buck laying about 30 yards from me and I could here him struggling to breath like he had water in his lungs or something I have never experienced before, I walk to him and he was foaming from the mouth. so I made him stand and he was wobbling as he walked away from me.

I knocked him down gave him 20cc of LA200, 10cc DEX, 6cc Nuflor, A whole tube of first fawn paste to help with good bacteria. Should have given him Vitamine B but I thought about it to late.
 
Cassie Martinez said:
I think I had my first case of EHD this year. This morning I went to feed my bucks and had a yearling buck laying about 30 yards from me and I could here him struggling to breath like he had water in his lungs or something I have never experienced before, I walk to him and he was foaming from the mouth. so I made him stand and he was wobbling as he walked away from me.

I knocked him down gave him 20cc of LA200, 10cc DEX, 6cc Nuflor, A whole tube of first fawn paste to help with good bacteria. Should have given him Vitamine B but I thought about it to late.



Please be aware this animal is now a carrier.It takes several days for clinical signs of hemorraghic diseases to present.

Have you quarantened him or the others?

Have you tried to determine where the original carrier/reservoir animal was before the midges spread the virus to your deer?

How far do these midges travel after feeding on infected/carrier animals?



Sharkey
 
Sharkey

We can not get away from the carriers. In most cases wild Deer walk by the pen at night and spread the disease. Also Cattle and other domestic live stock carry the disease.



Cassie it sounds like you loaded him up good. I have been giving Vit B but I think that the dex is the most important. Good luck.

I have treated every animal but 2 on the farm right now for signs of EHD. I lost 2 before I started with Dex and lost a fawn that i didn't notice was sick until she was stiff. As of right now I only have one that I think is still in danger, but we have a couple of months before the first freeze so this wont go away very soon.
 
gcw matt said:
Sharkey

We can not get away from the carriers. In most cases wild Deer walk by the pen at night and spread the disease. Also Cattle and other domestic live stock carry the disease.



No worries,I just want to reinforce the route of infection & hopefully it might help some with any decisions they may face.



Just as a side question have any fallow deer or other exotic deer in the effected areas shown clinical signs of EHD?



EHD has managed to get past our biosecurity & has been found in samples from rusa & chital in our tropics,yet not gone clinical. MCF seems worse on our tropical deer than EHD is on whitetail & yet fallow seem immune to MCF. Are fallow also immune to EHD where its endemic? Just trying to find out as much about these hemorraghic diseases & the effects or lack off on various species



Sharkey
 
As far as I know it only hits Whitetails and Maybe Mule Deer, but I only deal with whitetail. Maybe someone else will know.
 
I too figure the cariers are all around us with an abundance of wild deer traveling the river just 100 yards from our fence line. With this said though I still put cylence on any deer Ive put down to treat which is supposed to keep flies off for 21 days. I also mist liberally with fly spray containing several fly deterents in it. While the carriers might be all around us I atleast feel I can help buy controlling atleast one carrier. Rick
 
Rick I have never tried cylence before. Are you lightly misting it on them when you put them down. Do you spray it around the pens? What is the difference between it and Permectrin?
 
The EHD disease vector comes from the insect, culicoides, aka, biting gnat, "no see 'um's"....EHD/Bluetongue is generally worse in late summer, but this summer's early drought has exacerbated the problem...Receding waterlines in rivers, streams, or any other still/or slow flowing waterways create the perfect mud pit incubation area for culicoides...There are several serotypes identified right now, along with differing strains, meaning omni vaccines are virtually ineffective...based on this years anecdotal evidence, you may have a chance to save them, at least from secondary opportunistic pathogens, if detected early on...insect control is of great importance, and there are several options available, though none 100% effective...One recent development, Necropsy in Louisana has turned up signs of EHD in the tonsils, only SUGGESTING the virus can be transmitted animal to animal...would advise email to Dr. Joe Ables, you can also look at some of the current research by LSU...They seem to have taken the lead in serious research...other than that, you use what you can to keep inflammation and body temp down, and keep them eating enough to keep some energy going in the immune system...good luck!
 
Paul, Cylence is a pour on.I take 4cc in a syringe and put a strip down the back of their neck. You have to get it down in the hair not on top or it just runs off. I usually slip around behind them as my wife is keeping their intrest with treats. Rick
 

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