Nor am I DD.... I like a good ol' debate as it cleans out the cobwebs and gets people to say what is really on their minds. We all learn and benefit from it.
I know what she was doing DD, and I just want to keep it in perspective. All deer are the same, regardless of whom owns them, what they are fed or how much they cost. Some just grow better antlers than others.
Just the same as you and I put our pants on the same each morning, I am no better than you or anybody else on here. We are all EQUAL, regardless of what deer we own or what we choose to feed. I want to make that very clear right here and right now. I started out like everyone else and enjoy learning as I go. If you think that I am looking down on people, you are sadly taking what I write way out of context.
Who ever said I was right? I am just stating my opinions like everyone else.
I agree with you DD however, one fellow that I know read these forums last year and decided to try straight whole milk and ended up with nothing but troubles that a necropsy confirmed was malnutrition linked to the whole milk. Am I wrong for wanting to possibly prevent someone else from having the same problems?
Maybe if someone would take the time to provide an instruction sheet along with the promoting of feeding whole milk, like the amounts per feeding, etc, etc, then people would not run into problems. Instead, they assume you only have to feed 2 ounce per feeding, like replacers, when instead most of people who are feeding whole milk are doubling or even tripling those numbers.
You got to keep in mind, there are a lot of people who just read and do not participate on the forums. If one person jumps off a cliff, it seems like deer farmers will eagerly line up to do it, just so they can say they did it too.
Looks about the same as the milk in the fridge, except I think the percentages you are referring to are the recommend daily allowances based on a 2000 calorie diet, not the actual percentage levels of fat, protein, etc.... If I were on a 2000 calorie diet (more like a 6000 calorie
) and I would drink 2 cups of milk, I would have reached 50% of my daily allowance of sat. fat for the day. But hey, if you say I'm wrong, then I must be wrong...
I don't think anyone would make that guarantee as you said, way to many variables.
My thoughts exactly, we should just leave the fawns on mom and let mother nature do what she does best, instead of trying to "play god" by offering a fawn something from another animal that is not even of the same species or has the milk nutritional values of mom...
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a smart *** here, but what you just said makes no sense all, as it takes people to milk the cows, haul the milk to the dairy, people separating the cream, people to bottle the milk, deliver the milk and then ultimately feed it to the fawns. Doesn't seem to be as simple as a fawn sucking milk from a mothers teat...
DD, we are raising deer, not cattle. Milking cattle have been bred for hundreds of years to meet the demands of humans, not their calves and surely not the demands of fawns. This is why calves are put on a nutritionally rich "calf starter feed" to help offset the low nutritional value of the milk. Calves will also start eating on their own in just a couple days, unlike fawns that could be a couple weeks.
Look, I am happy for all the new people that got into deer farming. I like watching the industry grow and all the ideas that are shared here. It is kind of like going back in time and witnessing when I and others were starting out and trying to figure out all the mystery questions.
However, you gotta learn to take your bumps and bruises like the rest of us have done when we tried to blow wind up someones *** who has been there and done that... If you think that is a bit harsh, ohh well... I guess that's the price you gotta pay for all the great information on here... I've taken my bumps and bruises when I started out and paid my dues just like the rest of em... I still have a few bumps that NYBill and Thelma inflicted. You should read a couple of the post I made 5 or so years ago when my bottle fed buck attacked me. Come to think of it, I have a few bruises and bumps left from the folks on here over that one too, especially from Steve Kennedy or Scott Heinrich who thought I was still on the roof of the barn with a lap-top.. ....
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PM,
If that $100,000 doe would have a visit from a stay dog, would it not stand a chance to die the same as a $50 doe? If that $100,000 doe were accidentally shot in the head with a dart, would she not die the same as a $50 doe? If that $100,000 doe were exposed to EHD, would she not die the same as a $50 doe? If that $100,000 doe were fed milk a little to fast and got aspiration pneumonia, would she not share the symptoms and risks of death as a $50 doe?
Just because someone forks over $100,000 for a deer, it does not, I will repeat that, IT DOES NOT make that deer any less susceptible to death then a $50 deer. If you are going to have trains, you are going to have wrecks - regardless of how much you spent on the train. That's all I was trying to say.....
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