Froth!!!! Need help!!!

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Isaac, if I remember right I met you in Tx. to. If I ever posted something that offended you I apoligize to you and your dad Scott. I have respect for the whole crew of apple creek from Kevin, Darrel, Todd, Mike and some that I can't remember there names. Great deer minds that I consider freinds! Steve, Angelo Pellet had a contract with Max Rax to make there feed, which is the only feed I let in the barn, But they were fradulent in there mix and admitted it with a smerk on there face! Wouldn't trust the whole bunch of em! Used there mix for about half a season noticed I wasn't getting the results that I normally did so started haveing it tested and came back 3 times not what I paid for. Wouldn't Buy a bag of corn from them! ZZ

Reread my post from last night on cow milk and didn't mean to offend anyone. Just my opinion but nothing to base it on. Hope it works for everyone using it and want to hear your results good bad or ugly! It goes along with what feed you use. If your happy with it who cares what ZZ or Fred thinks. Hope to learn from you! Don't mean to be arrogant, but I'm in the Tx. market and if you don't have a little arrogance about you they'll chew you up and spit you out! So please keep us posted on results. I'm always willing to learn from anyone who has 1 deer or 100. ZZ

Thanks ZZ.......I will be honest my fawns are doing great on the cows milk but i am having a problem with the scours.......they are eating an acting fine but just have loose stools......what do you think this is from? I'm giving them albon and panecure right now in case it's worms.....probably give them some pepto and pum[kin if it persists......not all the fawns are having problems just a handful....the stools are watery and yellowish in color.....let me know if you have any thoughts....

Dennis, if it smells pewtred it could be ecoli and your treating it right. If it doesn't smell awful take them off of milk for 24-36 hours and give them water ONLY. Don't mix it 50-50 or add anything to it. Give some pumpkin between feedings if you can't stand it, that should make you feel better! They can go that long without hurting them. What your trying to do is helping them clean out their system. You should see improvement in 24 hours. I would stay away from pepto and the other human meds. If worst comes to worst use Condics old remedy of 17% iodine wound tincture from your vet like Jay said. 1/2 cc in bottle until solid. Make sure it's 17% wound ticture. Try a couple on water first and see what happens. These other guys have some good ideas to that work for them that I haven't tried. The more drugs we put in them sometimes hurts more than helps. Help them clean out with water first and go from there! Keep us posted, and see what these other guys would do. ZZ

ZZ, I think only a fool wouldn't listen when some of you older than dirt guys start giving advise. Your years of experience coupled with the sheer number of cases you've seen of the different ailments alone should have people perking up your ears when you speak. If some people don't want to take the advice so be it but please keep posting whenever you get a chance. Thanks Rick PS If you take a look at my picture on my profile you will see where I heard that older than dirt comment. Yea thats right, they were saying it to me.

I have talked to several people that are feeding red cap this year, and all are having the same problem. SCOURS!!! For that reason alone I would not even think about going this route with my fawns. Personally I believe when people are feeding red cap, they are pushing the oz's down the fawns way too hard to try to make up for what protein, bf, etc. it is lacking. And what happens when you eat too much of one thing. SCOURS!!!



As deerfarmers we have many diffenrent options we can use when it comes to what we feed our fawns. Goats milk and a slew of milk replacers ( designed specifically for whitetails). What works for one may not work for another. People need to be careful of bandwagoning and jumping on the lastest feeding fad. If red cap really worked so well don't you think it would have been used a long time ago, and many would be still on it today?



People should listen to those that were in the deer business long before we were. Their knowledge and experience alone is enough for me. They know what works and what doesn't!



Again this is just my opinion and thoughts. No more no less.

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Isaac, if I remember right I met you in Tx. to. If I ever posted something that offended you I apoligize to you and your dad Scott. I have respect for the whole crew of apple creek from Kevin, Darrel, Todd, Mike and some that I can't remember there names. Great deer minds that I consider freinds! Steve, Angelo Pellet had a contract with Max Rax to make there feed, which is the only feed I let in the barn, But they were fradulent in there mix and admitted it with a smerk on there face! Wouldn't trust the whole bunch of em! Used there mix for about half a season noticed I wasn't getting the results that I normally did so started haveing it tested and came back 3 times not what I paid for. Wouldn't Buy a bag of corn from them! ZZ

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Hi ZZ, you are right we met you at the TDA show in Grapevine. Do you remember how long it took us to set up that complicated booth? You have never offended us here. We have great respect for your wisdom in bottle feeding. Is it possible to pull all your past posts on bottle feeding, combine it in a book to sell to new farmers like us. This would be a great value for people on whitetail Exchange. Thank you for sharing.

Dennis my deer are doing good no scours...I have a buck fawn that when I pulled him on day two his ears were more droopy eyes not real clear...I have never used albon I couldn't find the liquid...I have always used Sulmet 12.5%...I supplement him with bovetec replacer in my whole milk.(just for medicine)

If you want I could get you a little for him.He should drink it.

Has he been eating dirt or do you still use probiotics of any kind?

I mix it in my milk once a day.

Sometimes with loose stools you just need to be patient. If they are acting and drinking fine, I usually write it down when they have a loose stool and wait. If they don't clear up within a couple of feedings, then I may choose to do something. If everything else is fine it usually firms up on its own. Acting lethargic, or not drinking well, usually worries me more than loose stools.



I don't feel like I know as much as some older farmers on here that bottle feed, but I think I have been successful at bottle feeding because I take notes on troublesome fawns when I feed, I keep everything neat and tidy, and I'm pretty anal about everything.



This year, I am doing quite a bit of fawns. I have 117 in the barn. I thought I would have more trouble, but so far (knock on wood) they are in tip top shape! Wish me luck, and good luck to all of you as well.

Brian... I feel the same way, I don't think everyone's definition of scours is the same.But I note every fawn's movements...Color, consistence,a lot...a little...everything. My book looks like this.

Fawn#3

8oz 6am

pooped a little

green pellets

DD, keep offering water every couple of hours,(warm same as milk would be) keep hydrated. Or everytime you walk by offer water. If it doesn't work try one of these other peoples ideas. We go 5 days on meds and most of the time we go 7. If it persist we carry on for 10. Need to tell everyone my best doe (highroller daughter) was raised on cow milk, so it can't all be bad! The guy that raised her has used cow milk for 5-6 years. I think it goes by individual animal, some can handle it and some can't. Have fawns that can't handle 50-50 goat-powder mix but do fine on straight goat. And no I haven't seen it all and I'm learning every day with you! ZZ

I am trying to only give my opinions through emails and talks on the phone now, but earlier a comment was made about using iodine tincture. It was stated to use 17%, but I think the person may have slipped when they said that. If I recall correctly it is 7% tincture iodine. If everyone wants to check their notes and see what they have... I could be wrong.

Roger, that person that slipped as you say would be me, and thanks for catching my error! You can use my name Roger I won't bite you. 7% is correct I don't beleive they make a 17%. Thanks again Roger but next time call me out no ill feelings, I consider you a freind and I respect you and Laurie both for your knowledge. Thanks for catching that! ZZ

Ok ZZ. You are a good friend, just don't want to rub anyone wrong.