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Producers should directly support the state associations rather than giving it to NADEFA. It seems to be getting lost there and each state associations seems to be accomplishing more with less. Do we need a national association?! I believe we do have a need for that leadership and each states voice. Do we have that now? I say no to some extent on both.

All I'm saying we need more results and state support for the amount of money being directed to NADEFA. COMMUNICATION is seriously lacking. Heck even board members are not aware of some of the decisions being made by NADEFA...not sure how that's possible!?

We have had many good folks come off this board because of lack of a voice while serving.

We better get this train on track before its to late.
 
I can see the point Tim made about one thing at a time. It kind of goes back to having a lot on your plate. Maybe someone else will eventually head up EWA. Nothing stays the same forever nor should it. There is a lot to be said for experience, but it is nice to see some younger folks stepping up to the plate and taking on some of the work. We've done our share in the past and are happy to see others do it now.
 
I have served this industry for so many years and always have fought for every deer farmer in this nation. While I done the trips to Washington, D.C., to many state associations to speak, to USAHA, to the auctions and conventions, to our state capitol, served on the NADeFA, DBC and Whitetails of Oklahoma board, answered every health question for any farmer that ask my help and spent money I didn't have, my own farm suffered. Gary and Jane were there at many of the things I am talking about. Not one person besides them that I recognize do I remember being at any of those things or telling me thanks for helping save the deer industry. If you don't think that we did that, then you are sadly mistaken. Everytime someone gets on here and mentions the very organization that kept this industry from being done in, the attacks begin. For someone who has dedicated a large amount of their time to this industry and the people in it, it gets to wear a little thin. This industry is bigger than me or any other one person in it. The way to keep informed is to be involved or at the very least read the eblasts. This is the very reason I don't come on here much and quit helping others on here. Thanks Gary and Jane for all you guys sacrificed to help. If you want to thank some of the others that have made a tremendous difference here are a few off the top of my head, Holly McQuaig, Shawn Schaffer, Brad Thurston, Fred Huebner, David McQuaig, Joel Espe, Ray Burdett, Carolyn Laughlin, Dave Griffith, Glenn Dice, Charly and Laurie Seale, the national lobbyist, Gary Goyke, Curt Walvogel an a host of others. I hate to mention names becaus I will have forgotten someone but thats a good start. have a nice day.
 
Wild Rivers, I know you have done a lot in the past, and I personally thank you and everyone else for your service and efforts.

But , This next year is probably going to be the most critical year in the history of the deer industry. With the negotiations going on over the Federal Rule, we need some one with Charly's experience and knowledge of the process, to help shape these regulations to something that won't put us of business. Look what is going on in Iowa, Missouri, Pa., etc. This the biggest attack we have had on the industry in years. This is a time to have Charly's experience on the board. NADEFA's approach to this has been way to passive. It's time we draw a line in the sand on these rules.

Gary
 
G O Whitetails said:
Wild Rivers, I know you have done a lot in the past, and I personally thank you and everyone else for your service and efforts.

But , This next year is probably going to be the most critical year in the history of the deer industry. With the negotiations going on over the Federal Rule, we need some one with Charly's experience and knowledge of the process, to help shape these regulations to something that won't put us of business. Look what is going on in Iowa, Missouri, Pa., etc. This the biggest attack we have had on the industry in years. This is a time to have Charly's experience on the board. NADEFA's approach to this has been way to passive. It's time we draw a line in the sand on these rules.

Gary

I completely agree with Gary. When the fight was going on in Missouri this summer an fall Charly and Laurie where there to help. They dropped what they were doing and attended meets with ag and conservation. They testified on our behalf and all deer breeders. NADEFA was nowhere to be seen. They was supposed to be working behind the scenes but could never give an answer to what they had did or accomplished. Their answer was that in Missouri me are still under conservation and we didn't own our deer, therefore they had to watch how they approached the issue. I am tired of all the unorganization and political ******** behind who is on the board. We need to wake up and work together and take control of the situation. Until NADEFA shows some kind of change in the way it is ran I won't support them. I will continue to support my state organization as well as other state organizations. I think it is time for some changes and time to draw the line. I don't know about everyone else bit I love raising whitetail and that's what I plan on doing for a long time.
 
Rooster said:
Producers should directly support the state associations rather than giving it to NADEFA. It seems to be getting lost there and each state associations seems to be accomplishing more with less. Do we need a national association?! I believe we do have a need for that leadership and each states voice. Do we have that now? I say no to some extent on both.

All I'm saying we need more results and state support for the amount of money being directed to NADEFA. COMMUNICATION is seriously lacking. Heck even board members are not aware of some of the decisions being made by NADEFA...not sure how that's possible!?

We have had many good folks come off this board because of lack of a voice while serving.

We better get this train on track before its to late.



To a point i believe you are correct but i also believe we need to have all teams working together. We hired our own lawyer up in Ny not only because of the federal stuff but also some of the stupid laws we have on our books. We did do this on our own but we also had the backing and support from Shawn and NADEFA. We asked some questions to get answers to give to the lawyer and Shawn sent us in a direction that he has had positive results with in the past.

There may be issues that need work in some areas but untill they are brought to light then many of us will never know about them!
 
A bad decision by NADefa.......now they need to at least admit it! I never Knew they pre pick the people that apply.......so WE (The Members) get to vote in the hand picked list from the Board.......not good........the members should decide who they want to represent them! Period! That is the way it is supposed to work with an organization that depends on it's membership numbers! I don't say this to hurt anyone's feelings and I certainly realize NADefa has done plenty for our Industry......and that is why I have supported them to date......But as Gary mentioned above....We need all the muscle we have in the game THIS YEAR because we are in a very bad way right now and can't afford these kinds of bad decisions........
 
Mr Condict I meant not to anyone's feeling nor question anyone's contribution's to the industry. I know some have given 110% for many years. The point I was trying to make many of those folks you mentioned left the board because because of lack of results. Some felt as if the direction of the board was driven by a few and they didn't have a voice hence the cause some decisions were made while many board member knew nothing of it when called about it.

As far as Shawn's involvement into state issues I would assume thats his job at the very least. A 170+k plus benefits salary demands at the very least but I know you ask many of the state orgs. if they are happy with his or NADEFA participation the answer is NO! I think that is more of the frustration than any. He should be taken direction from the board ..the whole board...the board should take direction/needs of its members...all its members...every state. I may be wrong but I think that's how it works!!

I would like to thanks all those for the years of service while it is a thankless job.
 
I would like to start by thanking all the NADeFA supporters who have called me to say that I should post on Deer Farmer to correct some of the information that is being twisted. Normally I do not have time to monitor these forums as they can burn up a lot of a person’s time as I am sure many of you already know. Secondly it is always tough to have a civil conversation when you don’t know all the usernames, (thank you to those who sign their post, at least under the members’ only forum). I will follow up this post with a phone call to many of you as I am a little disappointed that as members of NADeFA you would not pick up the phone and call me to get the facts. Sadly not everyone on this thread is a member, but then again, many on this thread have also never volunteered to help at their state association meetings, attend a state legislative hearing, or anything on the national level such as comment on the federal rules.



As for the Board not putting Charly’s name on the Ballot, this is tough for me to comment on as I do not vote and it was a decision of the Board. I would suggest that if you do have a question on it please contact your Board members and ask them. One of these threads said that the Board members do not know what NADeFA is doing, I would question that but the easiest answer would be to ask them how many Board meetings have they missed? I would like to explain that the nominating process is in the bylaws which are in the back of the directory each year. Last year we had 5 seats open and only 5 that wanted to run, the year before there were 6 seats open and 10 that ran. This year there also was good interest in running for the Board and I agree that it is nice to see fresh faces and ideas on the Board. I don’t think anyone questions Charly’s commitment to the industry. I hope that Tim’s explanation that Charly is already an employee of the industry and at the same time does EWA want me on the EWA Board? I work for NADeFA and my actions and comments are driven by NADeFA and its members. EWA, NADeFA, NAEBA and ROBA are all national associations and voices at the federal level. Do we want to do away with all that and only have one voice? Should all of our boards be under one mind? As employees of the industry Charly and I sit together on many committees and I dont recall us ever being on oposite sides of an issue.



As for the Federal Rule – where were you at last summer Gary? Please everyone go back and look at your emails and see that NADeFA flooded them with request to submit comments and also provided bullet points for those that never had time to read all those pages of rules. As for the Program Standards it was myself that called USDA many time over to correct the meaning of those rules and then passing that info on to the State Veterinarians, not having to test every deer that died from EHD and not having to test 2 for 1 when you missed a sample are two examples. The sky did not fall now that we are under the new federal rule and the Program Standards are being reworked by a working group that was set up at USAHA that many of us at USAHA. Gary you have been involved with many of the regulatory meetings in Minnesota, I know this because I was sitting next to you in one of them. I also was very involved when CWD was an issue in the Pine island area – correct? Didn’t you tell me that it was the Elk Breeders that were blocking the major rule changes for you in Minnesota? That would be a good discussion for these forums to find a solution, have you ever brought it up to anyone else?



The General membership meeting will again be held during the Thursday lunch at the NADeFA conference. We announce the new board members every year at this meeting and give an update of what is going on. Normally what happens is most don’t care and leave after they eat. Our Treasure Hand Dimuzio has a financial report in each NADeFA magazine that even includes pie charts. If you have other questions give Hank a call or talk to him at the conference.



As for the Missouri meeting I didn’t attend last fall, it was because I was told by several Missouri board members and their lobbyist that only two people were going to be allowed to speak and only for 5 min each. This was a meeting of political appointees and they needed to hear from producers in Missouri that were going to be directly impacted. I did provide facts to Donald Hill and help proof his speech. When the working group did meet this winter to discuss the main areas of concern, I was there along with Bill Pittenger and Sam James and a representative of the Missouri elk association (whose name I can’t remember at this time). I am proud of the fact that Bill and Sam never compromised on any of the issues. I did my best to correct every twisted fact the conservation and federation threw out and at the end of the day, WE WON! They let the moratorium expire on January 29th.



In Pennsylvania, I attended a meeting with the Ag Commissioner, State Vet and Legislative Director along with three of the PA Board. I also worked with their state Vet once a week and sometimes twice a week to push to drop the quarantined herds associated with the Shilling farm. Which they have done I also worked closely with Ohio to open up their borders again. Mike already pointed out that I also am helping in NY to address their trade restrictions, which as of last week looks like it could be going in our favor.



Kurt you mention that until NADeFA Changes you wont support us, you are not a member so how would you know what NADeFA is doing if you are not getting our blast emails?



I would hope that we all will continue to work together to fight for this industry. The annual Washington DC fly-in is April 15 -17th. I challenge everyone that wants to do more than chat about fighting for this industry to respond that you are attending so I can add your name to our hotel room block. I also would encourage you to attend the NADeFA conference as their will be a meeting of the DC planning committee, and a meeting of all the linked state associations as we have done every year.



Shawn Schafer

651-212-1315
 
After supporting NADeFA for many years, we in Iowa feel let down by their response in our time of need. Our Missouri neighbors and several other states are feeling the same way. It's time for NADeFA to clarify where it stands. A good start would be to publish NADeFA's detailed financials on the website. "Pie charts" in the magazine are meaningless without any detail.
 
Is this about money or is this about all states..With open borders..working together for the benifit of all. I guess we need to hear if anyone else has a better plan for what they think is not working now. This federal ruling can not be changed by one man. If the truth is known it will never be changed. We have to deal with whatever comes down the pipe and then do our best to deal with whatever comes along. In the scheme of things i think we are still a small industry fighting many and we will have limits.

I also believe in due time this cwd stuff will prove itself to be what it really is. Man now they are showing tests that ferrets can be a carrier of cwd! Whats the next animal in line?
 
I supported by in words, actions and donations and purchases NADEFA for many years.

I totally appreciate the work of those who have served. It can be a thankless job for sure.

I am reluctant to say anything on this topic as it is easy for those who work hard to feel they are not appreciated. However as a dues paying member I also feel it is wrong for the books to not be more open. I also (being from the state of WI) feel NADEFA has not always been the most productive on our behalf. The most disturbing words I ever heard came from Shawn's mouth were, "Roger, the states have to do more on their own. I can't do it for them. That has to be done on a state level." That statement was in reference to my asking why some other states like IL and IA won't always take deer from WI. If the states are supposed to handle these issues on their own then what is he purpose of NADEFA? And why then did NADEFA feel the state of LA and KY were different in some way and they helped them? NADEFA is our national org and yes deals on the national level. However it should also be helping each state as well. Afterall each state is where their members come from. And I recall emails asking us to tell our state org to help NADEFA.

I will continue to be a member. However I need to know my money is being well spent.

"That's all I got to say about that"
 
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
To a point i believe you are correct but i also believe we need to have all teams working together. We hired our own lawyer up in Ny not only because of the federal stuff but also some of the stupid laws we have on our books. We did do this on our own but we also had the backing and support from Shawn and NADEFA. We asked some questions to get answers to give to the lawyer and Shawn sent us in a direction that he has had positive results with in the past.

There may be issues that need work in some areas but untill they are brought to light then many of us will never know about them!



Not sure how Shawn Schafer got any negative here.. For the record Shawn has always answered my questions and problems with utmost professionalism and gave me direction as well as he could. People seem to either forget or not know but he is an employee of the board so he recieves his direction from them not us as members. This why we have elections to get the board members who we think are best qualified to lead and represent us. But also to not forget who they work for. And if the board thinks they made the right decision about Charly put him on the ballot he would not be elected anyways if the right decision was made right?? Let us the membership decide that!! I'm just a little pee on deer farmer in Michigan...But I also know that I am one positive test from being out of business and a lot of hard work gone just as many of us face. Doesn't matter type of animals you raise or what Association(s) you belong to. Tomorrow is never going to be better if we don't stand together and start TODAY!! l
 
Since finding CWD in our closed herd for 10 years and CWD monitored ten years, we have destroyed 225 animals at our hunting preserve and found two positives. The Iowa Ag Department has quarantined our hunting preserve land and our breed herd and land for five years. We currently spend $3,000 per week to feed them. Because we had a closed herd and all our animals were raised, we cannot write off the loss, as the animals were not purchased. We currently have 2.5 million invested in this industry.



The only offer made by our state is for us to kill our own animals, test them for CWD, dispose of them according to their test outcome, provide reefer trucks, ALL at our expense AND leave our ground quarantined for five years. Lets not forget removing 2 inches of top soil. NO RESEARCH ALLOWED by our state officials.



I went to the USAHA meeting in Greensboro to see if I could reach the right people in regards to our personal situation. After sharing my story with a group of wildlife agencies, state vets, and USDA officials, I was approached by USDA and was told they (USDA) didn't understand why Iowa would not allow us to move our animals from our breeding facility to our hunting preserve, both places were "contaminated" and it would get the animals off the landscape as well as provide indemnity for our herd.



I was also invited to speak in front of National Assembly of Veterinarians, approximately 150 people. When I finished sharing my story, the Iowa state vet was questioned why we were not allowed to move the animals and why we weren't utilizing the live rectal test, if 70 percent accurate that is just as accurate as universally accepted TB Test.



Prior to the USAHA meeting Charly Seale had contacted Minnesota State Vet and shared concerns that the industry has with the new Standards that were going to be passed. If I had not been there I would not have believed it myself, had it not been for Dr Anderson and Charly Seale, the Standards would have been shoved down our throats. NADeFA missed the boat when they refused to accept Charly as a board member. It shouldn't matter that he is working for the other industry, we all need to be united and working toward the same goal.



Iowa DNR Director shared some information with state legislators and representatives, and the media placed articles all over the state of Iowa that Wisconsin Deer Herd had declined by 40% due to CWD.



Our meetings with legislators and representatives are making a difference. But we forewarned, we were approached by a senator who questioned that since CWD can be transmitted through saliva, urine and feces, then did you get infected through your artificial insemination practices?



I personally accept responsibility for not being more proactive or even active in the industry until our finding of CWD, HOWEVER, I believed that the issues were being handled by those in charge of the largest association for cervids.



The single best thing I have done was attended the USAHA Conference in Greensboro. I was in the meetings and again, if it had not been for Charly and Dr. Anderson, we would all be following the radical new standards put forth by the USDA. There would be no CWD Standards Working Group. And, who knows our fate may still be that we will have to live with them.



If we do not stand united and support the ACA which is a culmination of NADeFA, NAEBA, and EWA then what? I would hope to see a number of people traveling to Washington in April. Make the impact we need in this industry. As you, too, may find yourself in our situation.



I ask you, What are you willing to accept if you are the next positive herd? What is acceptable to ensure that our industry remains viable??? That I believe is how this industry needs to move forward.



If there is anyone who has questions in regard to any details or information in this post, please call me at 641-425-0611.



Rhonda Brakke
 
I to agree with many on here that have said they appreciate all the efforts by many at the national and state levels for all they have done.....it is a thankless job at times and lots of hard work goes unnoticed. This being said, I still believe it is wrong for the Board of NADefa to pre pick who the new nominees are that WE the members get to vote for......we should get to vote for ALL the people that went through the process to be a nominee not a pre picked group by the board.....that is just wrong. NADefa made a bad decision with Charly and who knows who else for that matter....I believe Mike (four Seasons Whitetails) said he applied as well.....I am dissapointed at this decision and the responses that I have heard to date. I do not want to hear what has been done in the past.......I know there has been much done by many......WE need to focus on what we face right now today......and we can't afford politics to get in the way of our decisions! Very disappointing thread to say the least!
 
It seems to be that most are ready for a change in the way things have been in the past. I think NADEFA has to respond to the response from those deer farmers that want Charly to be considered in the election for board members! What does it hurt? The voters will decide if he is the right guy or not!! This is still a democracy right? We can't be fighting among each other but I think it is important that we hear the voice of others.
 
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the states have to do more on their own. I can't do it for them. That has to be done on a state level." That statement was in reference to my asking why some other states like IL and IA won't always take deer from WI. If the states are supposed to handle these issues on their own then what is he purpose of NADEFA?



I thought this was the norm! Our state would not take deer in from Wi either if they were in a set number of miles from CWD. Ny is one of the toughest states to get in and every state has their own rules. We hired our own lawyer but used the experience of Shawn and others to help guide us and our lawyer!



Dennis i do not believe they cheery picked who was to be on the list. If that was the case someone like me with the least amount of time and knowledge would have also been left off. Not sure on the Charly case!!
 
Mike with all due respect...if they left just one (which they did) person off the voting list that applied in the proper way...then that is an injustice to US the members of NADefa.......we should be able to vote for every person that applies for the purpose of being a board member or what ever position on NADefa......if they (The Board) alter the list even in a little way....it is WRONG....in my opinion! That is where things cross the line.....this organization only exists because of the Deer Farmers.......without us they are dissolved! They need to respect the rights of everyone that's sends in their check every year to support THEM and yes they support us..absolutely ...But THAT'S WHAT WE PAY THEM FOR!......again no disrespect here...just my opinion!
 

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