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My wife, an elementary school principal, has to meet with a parent today because his Grade 5 son pulled down the pants of another boy on the school bus yesterday.



Somehow I also feel like a principal because I get the impression that some of you are trying to pull down NADEFA's pants! :D



Healthy discussion and debate are important and essential in a democracy and to the effectiveness of associations. However I want to remind everyone to be polite and civil (no personal attacks).



Also, I question whether this forum is the best place for these discussions. You are not doing the industry or its image any good by airing insider differences.



For now, I will leave this thread up, but am monitoring it closely.



Thanks,



Russell
 
I Agree Russell......while I do not agree with the decision that NADefa made pertaining to Charly......I do appreciate all that they do for this Industry. I have and will continue to support them and hope that others will as well. I do not agree with some of the personal attacks brought up in this thread.....I have been guilty in the past of doing this and am trying my best to refrain from that type of behavior. Again, I appreciate all that NADefa does and has done for US and don't think this Industry would even exist in the way that is does today without them.
 
Russell said:
My wife, an elementary school principal, has to meet with a parent today because his Grade 5 son pulled down the pants of another boy on the school bus yesterday.



Somehow I also feel like a principal because I get the impression that some of you are trying to pull down NADEFA's pants! :D



Healthy discussion and debate are important and essential in a democracy and to the effectiveness of associations. However I want to remind everyone to be polite and civil (no personal attacks).



Also, I question whether this forum is the best place for these discussions. You are not doing the industry or its image any good by airing insider differences.



For now, I will leave this thread up, but am monitoring it closely.



Thanks,



Russell



That is perfect! This thread needs some mentoring.:)
 
That's pretty a good analogy Russell. You say no personal attacks. But that was right after you referred to the Nadefa members that posted their questions and concerns as 5th graders. Hmmm Thanks ... Then you threaten us that if we don't play nice you're going to take your football and go home. Seems that Maybe ALL of us are 5th graders at times. Hopefully all of you that posted their concerns on here will take note and Make it a priority to attend our Membership Meeting at the NADEFA Conference Thursday during lunch from 12:00 to 1:00 pm. Hope EVERYONE can make it to Cincinatti. Especially all that posted here. FYI.....I think this is a Great Site a True Informational & Educational Tool for all who use it. But everytime I throw a post up someone is asking me why I threw them under the bus? I don't get many answers but I sure seem to get em pissed. With that said I will take a break and leave this up to our Elders. Good Day.
 
I don't like when there are personal attacks made either. I have NOT read every word of this thread, but I can't say I recall any personal attacks made. I have read concerns that some have about how things are being done. I have read some factual information being discussed such as the event schedule for the conf coming up. I shared an actual conversation I had with the head of NADEFA. Which was again a concern of how things are handled. My posting was in no way made as an attack on anyone person or on NADEFA so I hope it was not something I stated in my posting. It seems when someone feels the content of a discussion is not aligned with their own position it is then viewed as an attack. I am open to hearing all sides of a topic. I am open to new and differing ideas. We all should be. That is how we learn, evolve and improve. Again as I said I have not read everything so maybe I missed someone's attack at another person.

It goes without saying these forums are a great place to share and discuss. The single greatest Internet tool the industry has had over the many years. Thanks Russell.

See everyone at the NADEFA show!
 
As a past state FFA officer [40 years ago], and serving on other boards, I was always told by my peers to: 1. Obey the bylaws, 2. and to practice "Fiduciary Duty" in my actions and decisions that I made as an officer and/or director. As I said before , I am not trying to embarrass or insult anyone. I have heard some concerns from my fellow members and I think they needed to be addressed. I found these below, These couldn't say it any better.

Take special notice of the last line of "Duties of the Members"

Gary Olson

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Our bylaws state in Article VIII " Roberts Rule of Order shall govern this association" I thought I would post them.





Roberts Rule Of Order Chapter 14 - The Role of the Member



So far this resource has discussed the role of officers, boards, and committees, but what role do the members play? After all, the members are the ones who run for office, serve on boards and committees, and come to the meeting to present ideas. Unless members take an active role in the organization, it can't function or even exist.



In organizations there are members who seek active roles and those who sit on the sidelines and "let the next person do it." It is important for the betterment and advancement of the organization to engage all the members in active participation in all the functions of the club. Unfortunately, in many organizations only a few people are allowed to rise to the top. This causes cliques to develop, creating division among the membership. When only a few members are considered leaders or are asked to serve on committees, resentment and ill will are created, and, worst of all, other members' talents are left untapped.

For an organization to grow, to be successful, and to be truly democratic, all the talents of the members need to be recognized, cultivated, and used. An organization should allow the cream to rise to the top, but it should also recognize that everyone can be trained and cultivated for leadership roles in organizations.

This chapter looks at ways to involve new members, the duties of a member, and situations requiring a member to assume special responsibility.







MEMBERSHIP INVOLVEMENT



Here are proven techniques for incorporating new members immediately into the organization and making them feel welcome and useful:

Make sure that each new member receives a copy of the bylaws and other documents that govern the club.

Listen to the member. Why did he or she join the organization? If the member's needs are not being met, he or she will probably not renew the membership.

Assign the new member a mentor, someone to explain how the organization operates and to advise where the member can best use his or her talents.

Give a training session on parliamentary procedure and explain that at meetings all members are encouraged to present ideas to the club in the form of motions.

Immediately appoint the new member to a committee where his or her talents are useful and where the member is interested in the work.

Toastmaster's International is an example of an organization that immediately includes all new members. At every meeting, each member is assigned a task or is able to participate in some way. This practice trains all members for leadership roles. If the same people always do the work, always are elected to office, or always get the limelight, the result is a schism in the organization, which may ultimately destroy the organization.

The biggest mistake an organization can make is to have a probationary period for new members or to set up barriers to service. If you wait too long to include the new member, eventually you may not have new members.







DUTIES OF THE MEMBERS



Members have many duties and responsibilities. Here are a few:

Members should attend meetings, be on time, and know the rules of parliamentary procedure. It takes two to tango, and to make a meeting go smoothly, both the presiding officer and the members need to know the parliamentary rules.

Members need to prepare themselves for leadership roles.

Members should accept committee assignments and perform the tasks given to them in a timely manner.

Members need to work harmoniously with other members even though they don't always agree with them.

In debate, each member has the right to sway the membership to his or her point of view. If a member votes with the losing side, the member must respect the fact that the majority rules and cheerfully carry out the membership's wishes.

Members must be impartial, fair, and courteous in meetings. This means respecting the rights of others, especially in debate. Members should call out a point of order only when a serious breach of the rules has taken place. Members should listen attentively and courteously to the other members and wait in turn to speak. All members must ensure that majority rule does not become mob rule by protecting the rights of the minority and by not gaveling through or railroading through any business. It is important that each member diligently follow this principle, because today one member might side with the majority, and tomorrow side with the minority.

When the bylaws or other rules of the organization are not being followed or when members' rights are being taken away in a meeting, members have a responsibility to courteously call the violation to the attention of the membership.







A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MEMBERS



Every now and then a presiding officer does not respect the rights of the members and will not entertain a legitimate, seconded motion because he or she does not agree with it. In such situations, a member can pursue the following actions:

Raise a point of order.

If the chair rules the main motion out of order, appeal the decision. (See Chapter 9, "Appeal from the Decision of the Chair (Appeal).")

If the chair ignores the point of order, the member can make the motion again. If it is seconded and the chair still ignores it, the member can place the motion before the assembly, ask for debate, and take the vote. This means that the member stands in his or her place and takes over during this part of the meeting until the main motion is disposed of - either permanently or temporarily. The member has a right to do this under Robert's Rules of Order. This is a good example of the principle that power is vested in the membership, not in the leadership.





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Wikipedia: Fiduciary Duty



A fiduciary duty[2] is the highest standard of care at either equity or law. A fiduciary (abbreviation fid) is expected to be extremely loyal to the person to whom he owes the duty (the "principal"): he must not put his personal interests before the duty, and must not profit from his position as a fiduciary, unless the principal consents.

In English common law the fiduciary relation is arguably the most important concept within the portion of the legal system known as equity. In the United Kingdom, the Judicature Acts merged the courts of equity (historically based in England's Court of Chancery) with the courts of common law, and as a result the concept of fiduciary duty also became available in common law courts.

When a fiduciary duty is imposed, equity requires a different, arguably stricter, standard of behavior than the comparable tortious duty of care at common law. It is said the fiduciary has a duty not to be in a situation where personal interests and fiduciary duty conflict, a duty not to be in a situation where his fiduciary duty conflicts with another fiduciary duty, and a duty not to profit from his fiduciary position without knowledge and consent. A fiduciary ideally would not have a conflict of interest. It has been said that fiduciaries must conduct themselves "at a level higher than that trodden by the crowd"[3] and that "[t]he distinguishing or overriding duty of a fiduciary is the obligation of undivided loyalty.

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I think it is time to end this discussion and those of you going to the NADeFa convention can talk directly with folks there. More can be accomplished there than sitting here on a computer all day going back and forth quoting things etc.
 
G O Whitetials....where did this info come from?....is it from our NADefa organization? if not it honestly does not mean anything........just saying........I as I have said before do not agree with what the board decided against Charly .....and have still not heard a valid point why they made that decision........probably never will........this will make me more skeptical in the future of how they protect us as an organization.......I can not make it to the NADefa sale unfortunately .....and.......I am tired of people trying to make it look like as if you can't make it to the sale you dont care........that's a bunch of crap!.....people in this industry have jobs and they rely on them as their main income.......thank God they do....because as of late.....raising deer is more of a burden than an income!! So to those that go down that path......zip it ......and start to respect the fact that we are all not in this for our living....as much as we would love to be....it's not realistic......anyhow.....let's all enjoy this industry for what we have in it....and respect each other as such!! Big......medium....or small......it should

make no difference! It really shouldn't......we all support each other!
 
I will be at the convention and can't wait to see all of you there! I work another full time job, have a family with a young daughter, and don't have a ton of vacation time, but in my opinion this is one of the most important events of the year!

Please stop by our booth and say hello. We will have t-shirts, hats, and some other SWAG to give away to those that come see us.



Safe travels to all!
 
Wild Rivers Whitetails said:
I think it is time to end this discussion and those of you going to the NADeFa convention can talk directly with folks there. More can be accomplished there than sitting here on a computer all day going back and forth quoting things etc.



How true!!! Cant wait to hear all the ways some are going to fix the problems we have.
 
Awesome stuff Michael!!?......and that is wonderful that you can adjust your schedule accordingly..wish I had the same priveledge......I had the opportunity just a couple years ago to be able to go and won't even go into what i spent towards the cause...but it was what I could afford that's all I can say......wish I could do it again this year...as I am sure a lot of us do.....but It is what it is and I will just donate what I can...with what I have......that's all we can ask for..... hope that makes me as special as you and the others that can actually attend.....we all try as best as we can...with what we are dealt

with.......and I hope it is a great success........it is what it Is.......God willing ....it is the best Sale EVER!
 
Thanks Dennis. Although I don't consider myself special in any way. Sorry you can't make it to the sale. Will you be able to make it to the PA Spring sale? Can't wait to actually meet you in person!



Hope you have a great weekend.
 
Michael,

I hope your sincere....I look forward to meeting you too...I honestly do......I think you probably have the best producing buck to ever hit the industry and I believe I mentioned this before....anyhow the proof is in the pudding...I can guarantee you I am not the person I come across as on these forums to many .......yes I do speak my mind and it gets me in trouble but that is me and I grew up in a family of five brothers and those

that did not speak up got buried......anyhow, I try the best I can...I say things I shouldn't......and I pray for forgiveness.....and for things to improve.....I do the best I can.......with what I have been blessed with.......I am worried like the rest and pray for the best.....!

Blessings to all!
 
I do hope to make the PA Sale...but it stinks that it keeps creeping more and more East every year......I would think it would come more West ....hoping to pull in the other States that border ours like WV....NY....OH.....and all the rest to our west.....not sure I get the idea on that concept....but i will do my best to support Pa as best I can as I Have in the past!
 
G O good stuff unfortunetly falling on deaf ears or so many dont understand what the issues really are but it does seems as thou if point them out you are chastisted for speaking out.

Business as usual all!
 
Rooster said:
G O good stuff unfortunetly falling on deaf ears or so many dont understand what the issues really are but it does seems as thou if point them out you are chastisted for speaking out.

Business as usual all!



Rooster, Will you be at the meeting this year to give all your opinion as to what it will take to fix this problem and your thoughts as to what these issues are?
 
I read something in this thread about Iowa not being happy with NADeFA. I live in Iowa I have not heard that. Granted I am not on the board of directers anymore, but neither are those I read the posts from. I was asked to give testimony to the Senate DNR Sub-committee. Which I was happy to do. I called Shawn for 2 fence studies I remembers I read once. As well, I asked Shawn if he could get ahold of Dr Kroll, seeing if his study of Wisconcins deer herd was available. Within hours I had the information I needed for the presentation I gave. At that meeting SF 59 was postponed. probabaly the best outcome we here in Iowa could have asked for.



Shawn wanted to come, but I told him we (the Iowa people) could handle it. As A NADeFA member I represented NADeFA. We are ALL North American Deer Farmers, aren't we.
 
Well Said Fred. But That is exactly my point also. Any NADeFA Member should have the same privledges extended to them as You or I. Charly and Laurie are deer farmers and NADeFA Members Correct? If the "Conflict of Interest" is fact for the Rejection" Then what message are we sending?? That we (NADeFA) are Penalizing Charly for his Leadership and Membership in other Associations? Charly you can be a Dues Paying member and we'll except any and all donations but that is where we have to Draw The Line?? We need Everyones Help Everyday as the Battle is Constant Against Excessive Federal and State Regulations that are trying to be imposed on us Farmers. As I look over my Election Ballot it Now seems we are being Regulated from Within. I know many others feel the same as I do on this. But when you post a difference of Opinion on here the following Criticisim is HARSH! As for the computer being a place to do so.....Whether it is to Promote your Animals or Get or Give advice on Sick Animals or Advice for Facilities or Voice Opinions.... Absolutly it is!! As Many this is Not our Sole Business and Our other Jobs...Families...Costs...Time Restraints and Geograpic Challenges prevent numerous members from attending meetings & functions. If it wasn't for my Wife (partner) Holdin' the Fort Down I doubt that I would be there....Remember the meeting is Thursday the 14th from 12:00 to 1:00 p.m. Also @ 8:00 a.m. the same Thursday morning is the NADeFA Board Meeting Open to the General Membership.

Thanks to all who have posted in this Debate. It is Not my Intent but Anyone who feels that my comments have been directed at them.... my number is 734-320-7182 Steve
 
I agree with most of the posts here pertaining to Charly. I do believe that Nadefa works very hard to preserve our rights, and by now I'm sure that the board realizes what an oversight that they have made in this matter.



There has always been and always will be folks that are impatient and uninformed of all the issues that face us everyday in this industry. That is why we see the aca and other similar groups fire up from time to time. They (in my opinion) are folks wanting to see more bang for their buck and less regulation, and I am one as well. I think if nadefa had given Charly the opportunity to serve on the board, alot of folks would had been at ease, and this industry could have enjoyed some unity!
 

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