So why did Alabama close its borders? I just assumed it was to protect from importing diseased animals. After reading some of these posts its sounds like-Eliminate the competition, Corner the Market, Protect Alabama's deer farmer.Deer Farmer should not have to be protected from each other. Competion Makes You Stronger--Corner the Market inflates prices- bad for customers
Sorry Will, I didnt realize Alabama allowed entrapment of the states resources. In most other states, this is a serious issue according to the authorities and that is how they are able to force property owners to get a permit. I am proud to know that if you high fence your property in Alabama, it is your business and does not require a permit. I too support the rights of property owners and agree a fence is a personal decision on one's property. I am also encouraged that your preserves can get enough for a hunt to cover the cost of the deer there. So if high fences are not registered, other than word of mouth surveys how do you keep up with the number of enclosures? So if you had a non-registered enclosure and wanted to purchase a deer from someone else with a non-registered enclosure, how is that tracked? Can these enclosures claim the CWD status of all the other enclosures? Can a non-registered enclosure sell to a registered one and visa-versa? =Fill in the blanks for me.
Forget the Borders.........we need to watch out for the Deer Farmers that are trying to monopolize the entire deer industry.......its happening now......they are mass producing whitetails and will have lots of 200 inch bucks that they will have in their preserve and will charge a much lower price than everyone else is.... thus putting a lot of preserves out of business.........then once their the only show in town they will raise their prices again ........they have already had an effect on the Shooter Buck Market......they will be able to control the prices and we won't be able to do a thing about it...hunters are going to go where they can get the best bang for their Buck!! this scares me more than the Borders open or closed.........
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
In Alabama once a deer is bought and released into a high fence enclosure it is gone. Hunting enclosures cannot remove any deer to sell or transfer.
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Deer Park, Alabama
Scott
In Alabama if you have an enclosure only you can buy a deer but you can not sell one or transport a live deer. Enclosure to enclosure is not allowed. A breeding facility is conidered a pen and an enclosure for hunting and the deer can not be mixed. To transport or sell a deer you have to have a breeders license and an approved breeding pen with each deer tagged with a number controlled by the state. They do inspect our breeding pens and count the deer. So they know exactly how many and which deer you have and where they came from. To transport a deer we must first get state approval for each deer by number and specify which breeding facility the deer is going to. If you release a deer into an enclosure you must remove the tag and send it to the state. That deer can never come back into a breeding facility.
As far as CWD monitoring we only have to monitor the deer in a breeding pen. Since no deer are coming from the enclosure to a breeding pen or being transported no monitoring is required at the enclosure level.
In Alabama if you have an enclosure only you can buy a deer but you can not sell one or transport a live deer. Enclosure to enclosure is not allowed. A breeding facility is conidered a pen and an enclosure for hunting and the deer can not be mixed. To transport or sell a deer you have to have a breeders license and an approved breeding pen with each deer tagged with a number controlled by the state. They do inspect our breeding pens and count the deer. So they know exactly how many and which deer you have and where they came from. To transport a deer we must first get state approval for each deer by number and specify which breeding facility the deer is going to. If you release a deer into an enclosure you must remove the tag and send it to the state. That deer can never come back into a breeding facility.
As far as CWD monitoring we only have to monitor the deer in a breeding pen. Since no deer are coming from the enclosure to a breeding pen or being transported no monitoring is required at the enclosure level.
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You are right Dennis, us little guys will always be little.I believe open borders will help us grow.
brett, we have the same thing in Sask only all deer have to be purged from the enclosure before any deer can be introduced ,we call that the 4 feet up rule
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Deer Park, Alabama
Curtis
I think that is a great idea. Then they would have to buy their starting stock from a farmer. Many of the enclosures here only have the genetics that was present when they put the fence up. Alot of the fences were put up to control the age structure and not commercially hunted. With our long season most deer wander off your property and get shot at a very young age. It is almost impossible here to raise any quality here without a fence. We hunt from Oct 15th thru January 31st.
I think that is a great idea. Then they would have to buy their starting stock from a farmer. Many of the enclosures here only have the genetics that was present when they put the fence up. Alot of the fences were put up to control the age structure and not commercially hunted. With our long season most deer wander off your property and get shot at a very young age. It is almost impossible here to raise any quality here without a fence. We hunt from Oct 15th thru January 31st.
Are you allowed to catch fawns out of your hunting encloser and bottle feed them to use as breeding stock.
no, why would you want to????? when you can buy really good semen for a few hundred dollars, the wild average can never compete with the high fence selective breeding. our regs don't allow does to fawn in the preserves
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
No, absolutely no deer leave an enclosure no matter what. If they are sick or something they die. Any deer in an enclosure is considered wild. Wild deer are not to be messed with no matter what. You cannot pick one up outside an enclosure either. They are wild and to be left alone. Mother natures way
That blows my idea of coming to Alabama and raising shooter bucks.Thought maybe i could come share the wealth without having to buy any expensive deer .
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Deer Park, Alabama
Sorry Virgil but I don't believe the local genetics would support shooter bucks without buying good genetics from a farm. Up until a few years ago you could kill a buck and a doe every day of the season-no limt. The hunting season here has really hurt the genetics in the wild. Most of our does get bred by spikes in the wild since very few bucks live long enough to mature.
We tryed staring back several yeasr ago to allow our deer to develop the age needed for quality. We protected about 800 acres in the middle of 5000 acres and did not allow any hunting for 4 years. Then we hung up the game cameras and got sick. We had mature bucks 5-6 years old everwhere but the largest one scored about 95 inches. That is why I got into the breeding was to raise good quality genetics to release on our property hoping to increase the quality here.
We tryed staring back several yeasr ago to allow our deer to develop the age needed for quality. We protected about 800 acres in the middle of 5000 acres and did not allow any hunting for 4 years. Then we hung up the game cameras and got sick. We had mature bucks 5-6 years old everwhere but the largest one scored about 95 inches. That is why I got into the breeding was to raise good quality genetics to release on our property hoping to increase the quality here.
Richie,
If you have an enclosure and inside of it is a 200" buck you want to keep healthy, can you intervene if he gets sick or injured?
If you have an enclosure and inside of it is a 200" buck you want to keep healthy, can you intervene if he gets sick or injured?
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Deer Park, Alabama
Scott
If I understand the reg's right the answer would be no. It is against the law to move a crippled deer off the road or put him out of his misery. That being said I have ended the misery on a few ocassions. It is also illegal to remove a dead deer from the side of the road. Sounds kinda stupid! Some tmes you just have to do what's right for the animal.
If I understand the reg's right the answer would be no. It is against the law to move a crippled deer off the road or put him out of his misery. That being said I have ended the misery on a few ocassions. It is also illegal to remove a dead deer from the side of the road. Sounds kinda stupid! Some tmes you just have to do what's right for the animal.
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
