Our Industry, 8000 Deer Farmers, Only 300 Attend Auctions

It still comes down to if you want to buy something you just have to be the last hand in the air and it doesn't matter to me if its Wisdom,John,Virgil,Eric,Jerry,Roger.....Or JOE BLOW! Point is if you want it.... you will bid till you get it.. if it's in your price range and To me it should not matter who the co-bidder was!

Every one think we kicked this possum long enough.

Ok here is another idea Eric.......i think you can make your auctions better by making the deer farmers bring in their whitetails they are selling and lead them around the stage up front while we do the bidding....you have to admit the entertainment would be awesome!!!

This actually happened when antlers international first opened---and most of time it was O.K. People brought thier trailers and hauled home what they bought.This was way back in the stone ages, about 13 or 14 years ago.

If this happens, Roger can I borrow one of your deer

I was there and have the gray beard to prove it

darren said:

This actually happened when antlers international first opened---and most of time it was O.K. People brought thier trailers and hauled home what they bought.This was way back in the stone ages, about 13 or 14 years ago.

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If you do a good job big or small everyone gets the same shake. You don't have to loaded with allot of deer or lots of money to be successful in this industry. Keep your nose to the grind stone, have a plan and network. I laugh at those that feel as if they are being overlooked, left out, shunned, not respected..etc. The way I see it many have made poor decision on stock or have followed the wrong people to obtain out of reach expectation. Get off your arses and make a game of it instead of waiting for others to do it for you and quit blaming others for your situation. It seems to come down to this exact scenario every time. Like the old saying goes it takes some time and money to make some monies! So when yunz spend the time and money to advertise as well as personally advertise yourself SHUT the FREAKING UP. Once you have tried this and I mean really tried it then you may have the right to complain.

Don't mean to pick on you virgil but do you advertise, attend function, donate...etc That questions goes for any of the nay sayers.

I personally don't see the corrupt sales practices that some of you claiming. I attend 3-4 a year and enjoy the networking and the socializing that take place. I have very little trouble selling what deer I have for sale each year.





The fall Pa sale is not benfit auction its a full blown sale that Assoc gets 50% of the 10% commision. The assoc is actually a auction company at that time so all the members are part of the auction company. Correct me if Im wrong about the 50/50 split but I think thats how it works.....Pa is very fortunate to have this type of deal and I believe many other state assoc would love to have the same set up. Heck NaDEFA doesnt even get that from thier sale.

spot shasta spot on...

Eric, how about getting some Hooter girls to run around passing out wings and drinks to everyone that bids at the sales. Or ask ol Hef if you can use some his girls. No doubt it would be a packed house. New, old, cripple, crazy wouldn't be a empty seat. This is a better idea then the doe thing that you stole from me...lol

I do believe the INTERNET has hurt attendance. I know that I use it if I cant attend a sale but it will never be the same as being in attendance.



The INTERNET has hurt many business practices....Its a double edged sword. Its made it easy for the nay sayers to get on here complain, give ideas, express concerns what ever it might be while never getting off the arses personally taking it to people who can do something to make it better or better yet actually doing something to help!

Shasta

Thank you for the 2x4 a crossed the back of the head. I needed to hear what you just wrote. Know that I am agreeing with you. I must admit I crawled into a shell a few years back when I had a 200BC yearling and a 267BC two year old. At that time all that was talked about was Max this and Max Bow that. We all agree they are super, super producers. But I must admit I was bothered when 140BC MaXXX yearlings and 180BC MaXXX two year olds took the spotlight over my bigger bucks. I whole heartily believe in strong pedigrees, but I also thing the antlers on the head backs up the pedigree.

Thanks for your post. Hope I wasn’t wining to loud

shasta said:

If you do a good job big or small everyone gets the same shake. You don't have to loaded with allot of deer or lots of money to be successful in this industry. Keep your nose to the grind stone, have a plan and network. I laugh at those that feel as if they are being overlooked, left out, shunned, not respected..etc. The way I see it many have made poor decision on stock or have followed the wrong people to obtain out of reach expectation. Get off your arses and make a game of it instead of waiting for others to do it for you and quit blaming others for your situation. It seems to come down to this exact scenario every time. Like the old saying goes it takes some time and money to make some monies! So when yunz spend the time and money to advertise as well as personally advertise yourself SHUT the FREAKING UP. Once you have tried this and I mean really tried it then you may have the right to complain.

Don't mean to pick on you virgil but do you advertise, attend function, donate...etc That questions goes for any of the nay sayers.

I personally don't see the corrupt sales practices that some of you claiming. I attend 3-4 a year and enjoy the networking and the socializing that take place. I have very little trouble selling what deer I have for sale each year.





The fall Pa sale is not benfit auction its a full blown sale that Assoc gets 50% of the 10% commision. The assoc is actually a auction company at that time so all the members are part of the auction company. Correct me if Im wrong about the 50/50 split but I think thats how it works.....Pa is very fortunate to have this type of deal and I believe many other state assoc would love to have the same set up. Heck NaDEFA doesnt even get that from thier sale.

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Talking about the internet as being a two edged sward. It is promoting the hunting industry on one hand and driving down hunt prices on the other. In one night a hunter can search all the hunting ranch’s on the internet and haggle for the best prices and not leave his office chair

It almost works like an auction. Lowest bidder sells a shooter to the hunter

Eric,



One thing I see as a problem is No Sales I no that there are a lot of breeders that do not attend the auctions that have no sale options my self included. There may be one or two lots in a auction I am interested so I take off work to go to the auction spend the money to travel hotel ect. then the lots I am interested in comes up and they spend 10 minutes talking about the lot I am high bidder at $10000 but then it no sales because they wanted $10500.

One of the problems I have seen and many others have commented on concerning auctions is. Lets say auction Lot #15 is a bred doe. Until the bidding is over with the seller has agreed to keep the doe. Bottle feed the fawns, expose the fawns and rebreed the original doe with choice of semen. How can a seller say they had one of the top selling deer when they in reality they sold six or more deer, threw in extra breeding, semen, bottle feeding, AIing and a years feed and care. With a money back guarantee.

Hell, perhaps a the next sale I will consign a doe, throw in ten acres, my old farm tractor and a New Kubota RTV and when the bid stops I’ll throw in an Alaska cruse if it brings enough. The women might like the cruse. If the doe dies I’ll guarantee you can keep the old farm tractor. It doesn’t run any way.

However you Gota give these breeders credit for their imagination. Wish I was the one to think of it. But tell me, at what point dose an auction lose it’s focus as an auction representing all sellers and all sales equally.

Wisdom



When you get ready to consign that doe with all of the goodies your going to give away let me know I will be in the front way with my bidder #. LOL

IndependenceRanch said:

So Swank, using your statements above that said... "selling truly poor quality animals to novices for very high prices."

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So Pietrowski,

What part of; "See below quotations of how it effects the dog industry" do you not understand?



I would not think you are that insecure to think every time someone posts an opinion, or example, that differs from yours you would think it is a direct attack on you, personally.



Read the posts and consider them with an open mind of the BIG picture, rather than always comparing how every issue brought up is all about you. The Big picture is not always all about you or how you raise or breed your animals, Roger. So please quit assuming everything I post is directly aimed at you - it is not. I actually spoke rather highly of you yesterday during a few phone conversations in regards line-breeding. There are a lot more people in this industry other than the 800 or so that are registered and post here, as well as attend auctions.



My posts are directed towards addressing the problems of the whole industry, not just one single person or the way they choose to raise their animals. We are not the first people to take animals, breed them and create a buyers market for them. Those trails have already been forged. All we have to do is take some time to look at those trails as a BIG Picture and not make the same mistakes those before us have made in other industries.



So now that we have that cleared up, can you please STOP making my posts all about you? You are only one person among 8,000. Take some time to truly listen and analyze what the other 7,999 are saying. Become part of the team effort, Roger. Address the problems being discussed from a WHOLE INDUSTRY standpoint, rather than taking personal offense to the problems and opinions that are being brought up and openly discussed.



You should have known me long enough to know I will not hold my tongue. I will say what is on my mind and NOT once think about if it will hurt someones feelings or not, or worrying if I am being politically correct or not. The truth sometimes may sting a little, but it is what it is without all the sugar coating and burying our heads in the sand to avoid the problems.



I do not act this way to offend people, I act this way to get people to think outside the box and look at things from another perspective, of which I don't always agree with but feel the points are valid enough to be brought up.





PLEASE do not take my opinions as an attack on you - THEY ARE NOT. With this being said, I am just explaining my reasoning for posting and where I am directing my attention and concerns. There is no need to take it personal and make it all about you. WE ALL ARE INVOLVED IN THIS INDUSTRY.



On another note; If we as an industry cannot police ourselves of our own conduct, morels and ethics of raising animals and come to some type of agreement on standards, then we are nothing more than modern day FAD breeders. That was my point of answering your question regarding breeding to what is hot. There still needs to be some balance and legitimacy aimed at bettering the animals we breed and industry we serve and not just thriving to produce the next hot commodity among breeders.



An industry thriving to produce the next hot commodity, aimed at a 3% market, is the very same mentality that led us to this very long topic being created, whether we choose to accept that fact or not.





Agree or disagree, it is truly how I feel.









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Swank,

Like how we got each others attention?

So Swank, I don't take every post as an attack on myself. At least I Don't think I do. But I unlike some on here speak for ME and for MY program. I would never be so arrogant as to speak for the other 97% or 3% or 99.9999% I can only speak for ME and that is why when I read a post and then respond I guess I come across as sounding like it was about ME. Because I can only speak from MY perspective.

In the above discussion I was speaking in terms that I in my program do use bucks and bloodlines that are "hot" in the markets. I think I do a fair job of balancing between the "hot" and the stable as well as the focus my program is geared at.

I also was trying to mention that even though I breed for "hot" or "fad" deer I don't produce junk or poor quality deer. And I mentioned this by dropping in a couple of examples of the fact that I have sold in fact quality deer with true proven production.

I know not every post is an attack on me. Well Virgil's post was But that too will pass. Just like a bad burrito



It's all good Swank. I get excited and so does everyone on here. You know why? Because we are all passionate about what we do and want the best. If we didn't care then we should quit.

Have a swell weekend everyone

Hey Roger sorry about that its that i was getting upset that i was trying to give some feedback to the original question. I was just stating that those are some of the reasons i feel many do not attend and every one started to comment on what i had to say cause they didn't think that was right . Thats not what this thread was for it was to give reasons why so many people don't attend if we don't like that reason oh well some people feal different then we do to each his own but i know some do feel that way so i thought i would throwe it out there. Still no excuse for telling you to get your head out of the crack some probaly still wondering what that ment but i am very sorry so here is my public apology hope you except look forward to meeting you someday. Buy the way that private message you sent me i never even met Wisdom i just know from research into the industry and into other peoples blood lines he has some of the best proven no name pedigrees that are in the industry. His typical line blows away any of these fad typical lines that are in the industry. I also know i would not be getting ripped of cause my buddy bougrht from him and he got his deer at a very reasonable price. The Biggest names don't always mean the biggest bucks there are many low key guys out there that don't care for the spot light. I encourage new guys to chek them out when getting into the industry be suprised what you might find. I started in 2004 and have had two 200inch two year olds born bread and raised on my farm and never ai'd till last year. All my stalk came from no names and never bought a deerfrom a auction and never spent more than 1200 on a bread doe. Not doing to bad for a no name dummie thats all i have to say on this thread so sorry for any who i affended and hope you figure out how to get some of the original 8000 to attend auctions cause it is neet to see and meet fellow farmers. I said original cause your give a deer away was focused on new farmers and i didn't realize that was what was being asked in the original question correct me if i'm wrong.

One more thing that no sale thing hurts the attendance to. Most people go to a auction to try and get a good deal. OK thats all i have to say on this subject go ahead tear me apart all you want.

Wisdom - I agree with your analysis on some of the sales. I think they get too complicated and it is impossible to keep track of what is being offered. When we sell a deer we really want to sell it - that means someone comes and picks it up in a reasonable amount of time. We don't expect to sell a deer and keep it. We have kept an open doe through breeding season, but that is about all we really want to do. If we can't sell it that way I guess we just won't sell it. We adhere to the KISS theory - keep it simple stupid.