we used
rigid on GDromeo
big sir on wc Cash
gold rush Pj Jr and Rancher
O-16 on Pj ranger and Pj Jr
rigid on GDromeo
big sir on wc Cash
gold rush Pj Jr and Rancher
O-16 on Pj ranger and Pj Jr
What semen are you using this year?
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Edgar, WI
Circle J Ranch said:
This isn't a bad question and it seems funny no one had any comments about it for you.
In my opinion, and the opinion of others I talk with on a regular basis the death of a buck and how it affects the semen value depends on several variables.
In the case of Maxbo for instance, his death certainly won't make the price drop and it most likely won't make the price go up from what it currently is for the simple fact that Dave has done a fine job of maintaining the value all along. The farm price was high before his death so it really won't go much higher. Also even though Maxbo has been a super sire through his production he now has many sons out there who are sort of replacing him as a sought after breeder. Of course this is to Maxbo's credit and is why the price won't be going down.
2 Wide I really can't say I know much about the buck since I am not as familiar with TX deer as I am the northern lines. I am not sure what his production has been or how many straws were sold and used over the years he was alive. I can only say that I know I am very happy to have used 2 Wide this year and his death has not changed my feelings on that one bit.
Other bucks that we could mention are Bucky. His death also won't change the price much at all for the same reasons as Maxbo.
Sudden Impact, his price I would say was high before his death and certainly won't go down at all since the number of straws available means it is so limited. He is also showing he can produce so we will see how that will drive the amount of demand for his semen that comes after his death.
Dream Ranger is another fine buck with a pedigree that is very sought after. His unfortunate early death is the same as Sudden Impacts. I predict we will see Dream Ranger sons doing very well and that will drive the demand for his semen up as well. Again production and the fact that straws are limited.
What really is the killer for a bucks semen value is when he dies before growing his second rack. Over the years we have seen this many times. A big yearling and many folks are eager to see how he develops the following year. But then he dies before finishing out his second rack leaving folks wondering what might have been. Most times he was used very little that first fall giving few fawns the following spring. And then he is not used after that.
One buck of that same story is Tomahawk. A great yearling in his time, but died that winter. His death caused some to not use him and forget about him totally. The few that did use him did see great results in both sons and daughters. I myself (until recently when I sold her) had a Tomahawk daughter. She only produced one son for me before being sold but he was a 194" 2 year old with a 6x5 mainframe and nice tine length. Those few folks who have Tomahawk does are lucky to have them. But by the time the industry had a chance to see these daughters in action, semen buyers have moved on to the next hot thing.
One aspect of how the death of a buck impacts the semen value is who owns the bucks and how those folks used him, and marketed him.
The controversy is on going about why a buck is worth more if "so and so" owns him instead of someone else. But the simple fact is some folks market their deer better and as a result their stuff is in higher demand. Their buyers know that by having purchased semen, fawns, or bred does, from them they can benefit from the marketing that has been done in advance.
I can say this for a fact since I have been told by people who have bought from me that they can see the results of having purchased something I had promoted earlier when I owned it. They then are able to make sales easier now that they own the animal or offspring from the animal marketed.
My point to this is that if "so and so" person owns a buck that dies the semen value will at the very least hold its value better than if someone who barely (if at all) marketed the animal owned it.
Just some of my own personal thoughts on the topic that are sure to make some angry since that seems to be what I do best. I would like to hear what others thoughts are on the topic.
Joined Oct 2009
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upstate ny
I am not sure on the semen thing but i think a deer should sell itself to a degree.If a guy owns a great looking deer and it has a great background it should be worth what it is worth regardless of who owns it.That does not seem to be the way it is though.If a new guy has the same exact deer as a guy that has been around for years we all know who is going to get more for that deer!!!!!
Thanks Roger. I didnt push the subject because i thought it was to touchy or no one really wanted to give insite to it. (trade secret) I know some guys sitting on some great straws. I was wondering if the idea of supply and demand factored into the sales of semen. With these big sires being passed and a limited amount left would the price increase. Thank you for your time Roger always great to have you chime in.
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
I agree with the hole marketing thing that Roger was saying. When purchasing our first power doe, and even the straws we bought this year i made all my choices based on weather or not the owner of that deer was marketing that animal. Why? because that will mean to market my animal im getting two times the dollar amount. face value, air time what ever you want to call it. Let them make there money and in return ill make a little two. Its a group affort to market a buck. the owner of that animal needs you as much as you need him. Why? If that buck is not producing what is it really worth. People look for results, and your are an example of these results. We make each other
I'll play too. Maxbo Thickett on a High Roller daughter(fingers are crossed) . Maxbo Impact on Rolex daughters, Buckster Jr. on Magnus daughter (Double Buckster--should be interesting.) Also live bred with Magnus to Tonto daughters and also with Intimidator(Tonto yearling) on a group af real strong does.
We used GD Romeo, Rolex, Tonto, Quicksilver, Silverking, Thunderstorm and of course live breeding to King James and a couple of his yearling sons Prince 222@1 and Tag 174@1 (8x6) typical. www.br2whitetails.com
