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Who do you think are the greatest producers of all time?

ToddM

ToddM

Joined May 2009
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Fulton, Michigan
I have been checking out Whitetail Quest quite a bit lately. After looking at the offspring search function it kind of peaked my interest as to who everyone thinks is the top 5 reproducers of all time.



Who do you think is the top 5 reproducers of all time.



Here's mine



Maxbo

PA Geronimo

Sundance

Rolex

Lil Boomer
 
Todd I can't disagree with your list, I would place a caveat on Rolex just because of his age and I would prefer to give it a few more years to make a final decision on his place in or where on the list, Sundance would have moved farther up the list if he had been more widespread in his breeding... in the mean time I would like start a write in campain for Jim Duggar
 
Thanks for calling Scott!! After you type in the name buck you want to find you must then click on the buck from the second screen to get the offspring. Duh!
 
I think Maxbo Ranger has got to be considered even though he is only going to be 5. ALL of his 2 and 3 year olds have been sold for breeders. Guess we will see what the yearlings and buttons do this year.
 
Pa Geronimo

Sundance

Redoy Bill

Little Boomer

Patrick line These are our founding farthers. Some good producers came later also.
 
Here are my picks and they are all sound factual decisions not because of who owned them or owns them. My choices are all based on production.



1. Max If it were not for Max we would not have Maxbo, Rolex, Hardcore, Shadow, and the list goes on and on.



2. Sundance If not for Sundance High Roller and Drifter would not be or have been



3. Maxbo Probably semen straw for semen straw one of the best producers to ever walk the face of the earth.



4. Little Boomer He shows up in the 2 best does of all times as far as production goes in Blue 37 and Superdoe.



5. Poncho Maybe hands down one of the best sires on any doe ever, crossed with almost anything that had hoofs and was the color brown.



Again, not politics or the who owned them card, just solid producing from top to bottom in all most any doe they bred.
 
I can't believe I'm not seeing BJ listed more because of his does. I realize the question was the greatest sires. We are thinking about bucks from these sires. BJ does are in almost every great breeder buck as of late. Maxbo Harcore, Sundowner, Absolute, Lakota, Shadow the list goes on and on. Lets not forget about Martygraw considering how many does he has been used in. These two are probably the most overlooked in the industry especially for the price of semen. Little Boomer
 
Interesting question, and I don't dispute most of the answers given. I tend to look at breeding and production a little differently than some I guess. For me, a "super sire" or "proven" buck or line has to meet some critical numbers and statistics. What I mean by this is, how many does have been bred to said sire. If a sire has been bred to hundreds if not thousands of the best does in the country, then you're bound to find a few good sons... the question is - what is the ratio of "great" sons vs. just average ones that you never hear about and just end up as shooters? If however, you can find numerous big sons all on the same farm with a very limited amount of breeding then to me, that shows a much more potent and PREDICTABLE sire/genetic line.

There are several lines that I personally believe are more "potent" and predictable than some of the perceived top lines out there. That's not to take away from any of the "great" lines, I just happen to be a little more critical of perceived production... the question for me always comes back to - how many does had to be bred to find a good son???
 
I agree with most of the choices above and I agree with Michael about numbers of does bred by said bucks.

For this reason I choose the all time greatest sire as Little Boomer. From him originates either directly or indirectly many others on the lists such as Bucky, BJ, Poncho, all the way to today with bucks like Prime Time, Big Guy, and dare I say Updraft, not to mention the NUMEROUS does from him and his many big sons. All this back during a time when semen was rarely used and most if not all of his offspring came through live breeding. Also back during a time when the depth of the does being bred was average at best.

Trace almost any pedigree back and you will find Little Boomer in there.



There are many great bucks though across the country. But Little Boomer would be the greatest of all time in my opinion.

Thank you very much to the Flees family for cultivating such a great producing line.
 
IndependenceRanch said:
I agree with most of the choices above and I agree with Michael about numbers of does bred by said bucks.

For this reason I choose the all time greatest sire as Little Boomer. From him originates either directly or indirectly many others on the lists such as Bucky, BJ, Poncho, all the way to today with bucks like Prime Time, Big Guy, and dare I say Updraft, not to mention the NUMEROUS does from him and his many big sons. All this back during a time when semen was rarely used and most if not all of his offspring came through live breeding. Also back during a time when the depth of the does being bred was average at best.

Trace almost any pedigree back and you will find Little Boomer in there.



There are many great bucks though across the country. But Little Boomer would be the greatest of all time in my opinion.

Thank you very much to the Flees family for cultivating such a great producing line.
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Roger nailed the entire premise behind predictable breeding... all of the Flees foundation breeding has taken place on their own farm with their own genetics, essentially without any outside influence. Back then, people bred THE BEST with THE BEST, and this led to Line-Breeding which in turn creates PREDICTABILITY and CONSISTENCY! I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with industry trend of breeding a "name" to a "name"... just as long as everyone understands that in most cases, this WILL NOT provide a predictable outcome!

I also happen to agree with Roger's assesment of Flees' genetic line... to me it's hands down the most consistent line in the industry. This was no accident by the way, again, it was done through selective breeding of the best to the best!

Personally, I think we really need to get back to this type of breeding for the entire health of the industry. And there ARE other lines out there that are producing with the type of consistency and predictability that I've mentioned... it's just a matter of time before they are recognized as TOP lines.
 
Mike and Roger I agree. That's why I listed Flees with a space between them and everything else. Not to down-grade the rest of the world, there are some great sires out there. That's just how good their genetics are.:D
 

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