organize now before its to late !!! last night i attended the meeting in kirkwood. By the time i got to a seat i had 2 forms from the mdc and was offered a 3rd. We should be giving out flyers also. 2 mins on the mic, we need to line up to take up time get the truth out. I thank everyone who did stand up and talk but it just wasn't enough. I have to admit i was kinda caught offguard. Didn't realize it was that bad. Good idea with giving out the keith warren cds.
C'mon Missouri!!!
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Missouri says 300,000 killed annually, and since 2001 they have tested 38,000 deer for CWD
3.6 million deer harvested in the last 12 years and they have tested 38,000 That's just over 1% of deer tested. What percentage do we test?
3.6 million deer harvested in the last 12 years and they have tested 38,000 That's just over 1% of deer tested. What percentage do we test?
I'm a Deer Farmer, I control what my deer eat, where my deer roam, what meds my deer receive. My responsibility is to be the best steward I can be to my animals.
On the Flip side
I'm the MDC, I let the peoples deer roam where ever they please, eat whomever crops the please, spread CWD infested poop all over the countryside and then blame the deer farmer
FYI: I do not like the term "Captive Cervidae Industry"
On the Flip side
I'm the MDC, I let the peoples deer roam where ever they please, eat whomever crops the please, spread CWD infested poop all over the countryside and then blame the deer farmer
FYI: I do not like the term "Captive Cervidae Industry"
Your right , I raise deer and elk and I've never captured a dang one of them ! I bought stock from other farmers and bred and raised my own farmed deer and elk . They are NOT captured from anyplace ! Hell cattle were once wild too , could you see calling the cattle industry the Captive Cattle Industry or Captive Livestock Industry ? Makes Joe Q public think we're capturing wild critters and taking them home !! I agree bad title !! All this testing and testing has to come to a head and soon ! I can't wait to get a CWD vaccine , that would really help put us on the offesive for a change ! I'd love it , thats for sure ...lol !
Jerry said:
Jerry, don't forget that these are mostly hunter killed healthy deer that are being tested v/s our deer that are tested when they die for what ever reason. The sick deer in the wild would more than likey die without ever being tested... We are not even comparing apple to apple when comparing their measly 1% to our 100%...
Wooden acres said:
I want you to know that this is working, people are getting involved. Our Missouri Whitetails facebook page is growing, since it's birth 2+ months ago we are approaching 1000 likes...That's awesome, thank you for all of the effort on everyone's part. Lets keep pushing and we can turn this around......troy
Jerry, could you get us or post a copy of the handout the MDC is putting out. We can help you with a point - counterpoint piece to handout. You need to show the truth to the myth. You should be doing handouts also.
Gary Olson
Gary Olson
G O Whitetails said:
One of the handouts are the three proposed questions they ask on the MDC website which we posted on the Help Missouri Thread....By Kurt...
Jerry said:
Jerry I agree that we need to get the "C" word stricken from our vocabulary. Unless anything is free to roam it is captive! We don't hear about people and their Captive Dogs...Captive Cattle...Captive Cats....Captive Sheep...Or on the weekend when people go ride their Captive Horses! (why don't horses have two visible tags) You can go to your local fair and see ALL the captive animals comingling Just as Roger posted. Now the Wildlife Agencies are attempting to make us Farmers their Captives!! Trying to put the Blame on us for what they did in Fort Collins in 1967!! What's next...................
G O Whitetails said:
Gary, Here is a link to those questions, this is one of the handouts.....troy
http://mdc.mo.gov/hunting-trapping/...ting-disease/protecting-missouris-white-taile
Troy thanks for posting that link above.......everyone on here should answer those questions and summit a professional comment.....I did......come on let's let them hear the truth about CWD!
on a handout that we could give should be something about the 1/8th sales tax revenue that the MDC gets annually....60% of their annual income. $100,600,000.00 in sales tax revenue for 2012. $102,600,000.00 in sales tax revenue for 2013.....How's that for an income.....2014 proposed budget is $146,000,000.00
When Michigan went through all this about 5 years ago our DNR actually accused the Farmer with a single positive test result of smuggling in sick deer. They talk about CWD jumping long distance this way. The reality is that the most likely way this type of jump can occur is by the improper disposal of a contaminated carcass of a hunter harvested deer brought back from an infected state. I know in Michigan our DNR doesn't like to talk about that but it is illegal in MI I don't know about MO. Assuming that its not legal to bring a hunter harvested carcass back from an infected state take a look at how much effort your DNR is putting into education and enforcement of this rule. My guess is not much if that is the case the public should be aware of that. When your DNR puts little effort against the real risky activities that can spread CWD to advance their anti high fence agenda that is simply corrupt bad government. Possibly that could be one of your talking points at those meetings. I hope this helps I am not aware of all the details but I know what went on in Mi. Good Luck !!
G O Whitetails said:
Protecting Missouri's White-Tailed Deer
Infectious diseases such as Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) threaten Missouri deer, 520,000 Missouri deer hunters, landowners, wildlife watchers, 12,000 Missouri jobs, and Missouri businesses and communities that depend on the $1 billion in economic activity related to deer hunting and watching.
The Missouri Department of Conservation is working with hunters, landowners, businesses, and partner organizations to identify and limit the spread of CWD in Missouri. All deer hunters, landowners, businesses, and conservation organizations must do their parts, including captive deer breeders and big-game hunting operations.
MDC is proposing common-sense regulation changes for deer breeding facilities and big-game hunting preserves to help limit the spread of CWD. Changes involve more effective fencing to separate captive and free-ranging deer, restricting the importation of live deer into Missouri, and mandatory disease testing.
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Notice how they keep using the word captive
also they come at you with this: All deer hunters, landowners, businesses, and conservation organizations must do their parts, including captive deer breeders and big-game hunting operations. Then all the rest is about imposing more regulations on deer farmers. I sat right there in the meeting and heard them tell hunters to dispose of remains at the local dump. How does that make since? I see gulls and crows at these dumps all the time.
a cJerry said:
Jerry, I didn't realize you were quoting a government-born statement...I was starting to wonder what team you were on!
of course it is a quote, sorry
I will stand with you today, because tomorrow I might need you to stand with me.
I will stand with you today, because tomorrow I might need you to stand with me.
rocky cedar whitetails said:
Is that their total budget, or just what they get from the sales tax? If that's their total budget, it seems small, because in Minnesota our DNR has a budget of $700,000,000. The Minnesota DNR has a staff of 2,000 people.
This "captive deer" label is something strange to me. I was a dairy, beef and hog farmer. I never heard the term "captive dairy", or "captive beef", or "captive hog" industry. We are farmers, plain and simple. In any of our farming enterprises, the wild counterpart would have been looked down on. We aren't subsidized like the DNR is. We all know you can't produce a deer for the cost of a $26 tag. The wild deer hunters need to understand, the taxpayer, and farmers, are subsidizing their hunting.
The DNR is the largest socialized program in government history. Maybe we should call the wild deer herd "Obama deer".
As far as people feeling deer shouldn't be behind a fence, didn't the cattle industry go through this in the 1880's. It was called the "Range Wars". Their were people that thought it wasn't normal for cattle to be behind a fence, also. They thought cattle should roam free on open range. We all know how that one turned out.
Gary
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If the called us "deer farmers" that would imply we are farmers and would make us tax exempt like cattle farmers. That is another issue that needs addressed.
