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Excellent explanation Travis. Its a shame that you have to spend so much time defending what you are doing. Open discussion is fine, but some of the repeated digs on this forum are poisen. How anyone can have an issue with the ACA's mission is beyond me.

Unfortunately, the division on these forums is a microcosm of our entire industry. And people wonder why it seems like we can never get anything done!

I guess you can never please everyone.
 
Sarg6207 said:
As far as the PR campaign and the old coalition, Fred you were given the financials. The Deer Breeders Gazette will be publishing theses as well as the ACA financials in the April addition so there has been nothing hidden. The one thing you will see is total transparency



Charly, Your post seems to indicate that you sent Fred some financial information on the coalition. I have been trying for several weeks to get an up-dated statement on the coalition finances and I have not received anything yet. If the coalition Treasurer furnished you with an up to date copy, please forward it to me. Thanks
 
Right now and for the next 2 months I am really busy but I sure would like to get myself educated on just what the hell is going on. Egos and back stabbing bull crap aside, folks want to know if there is anyone worth supporting anymore. I am sick of the childish crap. No one wants listen to the other side. This power struggle WILL KILL THE INDUSTRY.
 
David,



Charly was referring to the Alliance and PR campaign financials. If anyone wants the financials from the NTFRC they can request them at anytime. You also received the NTFRC financials at least a month ago when you requested them so I am wondering why you would sinuate to the group that you did not receive them unless you are just trying to stir the pot. Again, if anyone wants the NTFRC financials, just let me know....there is nothing to hide. For people to insinuate there is anything inappropriate being done with the funds for the ACA, the PR Campaign or the NTFRC is very inappropriate considering the fiancials for any of these are available at anytime requested.



I for one am tired of the nonsense that is being posted on this forum.....it seems that when people are trying to do good things for the industry, they get attacked from all directions. If industry folks would spend as much time fighting the real enemies as they do trying to tear down people just think of the good we could accomplish.



Laurie
 
Thank you Michael,

Looking at the big picture, if all this questioning of the need for the ACA boiled down to gravy it wouldn't be enough to cover a chicken fried steak..



What is the ACA's number one objective? To relieve the CWD regulations designed to put us out of business...



If the status quo of cwd policy was acceptable to the industry and its members then we wouldn't need action...



If the status quo of cwd policy was acceptable the injustices in Iowa and PA wouldn't be occurring. ..



Something has no change, and everyone must work together as a team to do it. We need everyone's expertise at the table.



Do we really think we will ever get indemnity? NO! We are in a $17 TRILLION dollar deficit that we wont climb out of for fifty years. Do we really think they are going to avoid national defense and education cuts to fund a CWD program they don’t even care about? Who are we kidding? The government is "just printing money" and they still won't even fund the program.



The ACA is moving forward. People are seeing that. Thank you to all the supporters. I hope everyone participates because we will be deciding action as a team.



It's like the old sayings we hear in our American democracy in November, people need to go to the polls and vote to have a voice, because you will still live in the society impacted by everyone else's...



Thanks again to everyone for your supportive posts, emails, texts, and phone calls.



Lets work together with ALL associations working together and make changes for the good of the industry. Its already happening.



Travis
 
iadeer said:
THE "ACA". These 3 letters are being thrown around like they will save the world. Keep in mind if someone from a current deer association was on one of the phone call, the credit for the work they are doing for the industry is being given to the ACA. I don't understand that. I was told that the Excecutive Directer of the EWA, (Charly Seale) was in Washington DC talking to the USDA. This is where I get confused. Who is Charly representing? The EWA, the North Amreican Elk Breeders, the ACA, NADeFA, The Texas Deer Association, and so on. Peoples identities get all mixed up. The EWA and NADeFA have a vote at the United States Animal Health Association Meetings. It has taken many years to make the connections and relationships these 2 association have at the national level.



This public relation campaign was brought up again. This Idea came together at the 2012 NADeFA convention. The ACA had nothing to do with this project. Now it is the ACA's money. How did that happen?



I have asked the question is the ACA simply an extention of the North American Elk Breeder Association. I received no answer. Is the money collected been put in the bank in NAEBA's Account. Why is it the people doing all the talking for the ACA are all asssociated firstly with NAEBA.



David Autry. Isn't it true many of the people currently involved with the ACA were part of the Non-Tradirtional farmer association? Where did the money's from that defunked association go. maybe it isn't defunked??



Fred, In your first paragraph you ask: Who is Charly representing?

That's a $64,000.00 question. Charly is also a board member of the coalition.



In your second paragraph you say: Now it is the ACA's money. How did that happen?

Fred, you're on the right trail, just follow the money.



In your forth paragraph, you ask me: Isn't it true many of the people currently involved with the ACA were part of the Non-Traditional farmer association? Where did the money's from that defunked association go. maybe it isn't defunked??

Fred, If you compare the members of each organization, NTFARC & ACA, you find the membership is basically the same. The coalition is not defunked even though some of those associated with the ACA are pushing in that direction. It is my understanding that the coalition still has some funds and I hope to have more details on that soon.
 
My question was...Why all this effort was not directed towards NADEFA where it should be/have been. Now we have more boards. More paid players..All different kinds of letters standing for the same cause. I cant seem to get an answer from any of them so it makes one wonder how clear this really is?
 
Laurie Seale said:
David,



Charly was referring to the Alliance and PR campaign financials. If anyone wants the financials from the NTFRC they can request them at anytime. You also received the NTFRC financials at least a month ago when you requested them so I am wondering why you would sinuate to the group that you did not receive them unless you are just trying to stir the pot.

Laurie



Laurie, What date did you send the email and I will look again for it? I remember seeing an email stating you were too busy for the coalition until after the NADeFA conference.
 
David,

No funds for the ACA has been shifted from the PR Campaign. Fred has received the financials from Charly last week, he knows that. David you know me, I'm telling you now. Its 100% false and any insinuation otherwise is a lie intended to defame. Hope that case is closed.



In regards to the Non-traditional coalition, I was under the impression that it was basically over. Not because of the ACA, but because it has not met since 2008 when it is required by their by-laws to meet annually, it has not re-elected officers since 2008 when the by-laws require re-election annually, and several of the "board of directors" listed on the coalition website are either no longer in the business, no longer members of the association they supposedly represent, or dead.



Looks like this old coalition though well intended actually fell apart back in 2008 and had nothing to do with the ACA. 2008 was a long time ago, heck George W was still president last time yall had a meeting. Please don't blame this on the ACA. I truly believe any supporter of the coalition would extol the momentum the ACA now has. Again, I left you a voice-mail, actually a couple, please feel free to call if you would like to chat further and share any ideas you have.. Until you call, I hope you have all your questions answered.



Travis
 
Travis, Once again, you have been misled. If you check the coalition web-site, http://www.ntfarc.com/smforum/, you will see it is not dead. The coalition has been actively helping those that ask for help and the web-site has been used to help educate the general public.
 
One more time.

Why does an ALLIANCE need to be an ASSOCIATION? If money was needed, the member associations in favor of the action suggested would simply give money ear marked for that particular project.



You got me, I didn't know the UN has a private bank account.



Second the ACA leadership???? Has that already been decided or are you just expecting the member associations to go along with who is in charge already.



The finacials for the PR campain have been received. Transparent? yes they are. money came in and money went out. From who to who? I can't tell. I guess I will wait to see what will be in Donna's magazine. I hope it is more complete than what I received.



Who ever has the money for the PR campain. Suggestion. Get with Keith Warren and put together a show that will actually reach people that are not part of the industry. Influencing legislators has worked very well for the industry. How about reaching out to the 80% of the public that doesn't have an opinion about our industry yet. Spend that money. get it off the books. Just my idea!!!!
 
I Agree with Michael.........Travis thanks for the very detailed explanation of who and how the ACA works.......it is very apparent as Roger stated ....Egos are clashing here and WE certainly don't need this now! look how well it has worked for our Government.......quit fighting against one another and Focus on the problems at hand......as Michael stated...I have know idea how you could't or wouldn't support the ACA .....It Just Makes Good Sense!!
 
All I know is the more associations there are they more our voice and message is diluted. People in Congress don't know the difference between NADeFA, EWA, NABEA etc. It is just a bunch of letters to them. Maybe a few finally recognize NADeFA after a lot of years of contacting them over and over, but it seems too many chiefs just muddy the water.
 
WillPenn Whitetails said:
Excellent explanation Travis. Its a shame that you have to spend so much time defending what you are doing. Open discussion is fine, but some of the repeated digs on this forum are poisen. How anyone can have an issue with the ACA's mission is beyond me.

Unfortunately, the division on these forums is a microcosm of our entire industry. And people wonder why it seems like we can never get anything done!

I guess you can never please everyone.



I completely agree, we are spend more time fighting about who has more power than joining together and fighting a fight we are sure to lose if we don't get together. I love what the ACA has started. Some of your don't but thats your opinion. Every question that has been ask have been explained. Those that oppose it have spoke their peace. If you don't like it, its american, take your ball and go home. Travis i want to thank you for spending the past few days of interrogation. thanks for your time. Some of us appreciate what you guys are doing.
 
Travis,i admire your levelheaded and sensible responses to the attacks on you,keep up the excellent work you are doing with the ACA!!!
 
Here is just 1 reason for not keeping the fight headed in one direction! Im sure NADEFA will be on this one!





Indiana must say no to canned hunting

Mar 22, 2013

In a recent article in The Indianapolis Star, we have learned that once again an effort is being made by some legislators to legalize canned deer hunting in this state. This is the shooting of farm-raised domesticated whitetail deer and elk in fenced enclosures. As sportsmen and women we know that these animals have been bred specifically for abnormally large antlers and exhibit little to no flight instincts which you would expect of a wild animal. In other words, they are tame.

It has been reported that Rep. Matt Ubelhor of Bloomfield is going to amend Senate Bill 487 to include the legalization of “canned” deer hunting operations in Indiana. Rep. Ubelhor authored a bill earlier in the session but it failed to get a hearing as there was an intense media focus on the Connersville couple and “Dani” the deer. That saga ended with Gov. Mike Pence requesting that the DNR drop the charges against the couple or a pardon for Dani’s saviors.

Now ironically, as reported by The Star, Gov. Pence says that he is open to the idea of captive or “canned” deer hunting in Indiana. This is a reverse of previous Gov. Mitch Daniels’ position. In 2006, then Gov. Daniels strongly condemned “canned” hunting and signed into law rules to clarify and ban the practice that was always considered illegal by the state. Gov. Pence, it seems, believes that these businesses, five which still exist because of a pending lawsuit, “were allowed but then had the rug pulled out from under them.” The rug has not been pulled out from under them. The DNR has always had rules against these practices as evidence of legislative efforts by Rep. Bill Friend since 1999 on behalf of his constituent Russ Beller who was convicted in federal court in 2005 for running illegal canned hunts.

Sportsmen and women believe you don’t shoot farm animals and we are greatly concerned about disease risk to Indiana’s wild deer. Twenty-three states have Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), a fatal deer disease present in either their wild or captive herds, or both. It is believed movement of deer to and from captive facilities is the primary reason the disease is spreading across this country. Cost to States’ agencies and taxpayers are astronomical. Wisconsin has spent over $50 million in an effort to manage CWD disease. In Indiana we have had tuberculous found in several captive deer facilities, a Harrison County hunting facility, a Wayne County farm, and a Franklin County farm. As a result of the TB found, many wild deer had to be shot by sharpshooters and tested. We also learned last year, as reported by The Star, several farm-raised captive deer brought into Indiana from Pennsylvania had been exposed to CWD. When state authorities traced the deer to an Indiana captive deer farm, it was found that several of the deer had escaped. To date, not all the deer have been recovered for CWD testing. Until all the escaped deer are found and all tested for CWD, it will not be known whether CWD has spread to Indiana.

Tell your legislators to say “No” to “canned hunting” in Indiana. The risk to wild deer is too great and the hunting ethics too poor for Hoosiers
 
Mike we have been fighting this sense 2006, the last four years our governor has been against us. We fight every year and have been close. Hopefully with the new governor we can actually get something done. But we as a state are fighting this battle.
 
Clearview Whitetails said:
Mike we have been fighting this sense 2006, the last four years our governor has been against us. We fight every year and have been close. Hopefully with the new governor we can actually get something done. But we as a state are fighting this battle.



Looks to be another fight on the horizon. Hope this new guy does not have the blinders on. There will be many groups including QDMA loading up the public with more lies. Hence the need for backup from an educated group! Hope for the best for ya's!
 

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