Mike that article only makes me more in support of the ACA......like I said......the more representation the better..........and I have not heard a word yet from Shawn that the ACA is trying to duplicate what Nadefa is already trying to do......if these organizations can work together for our best interest....why all the negativity??? I just don't get it.......I will support any organization that is willing to stand up for the rights of this Industry!! PERIOD!
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ddwhitetails said:
You hit the nail on the head...Work together.. Did you see an answer to my question. Why was all this effort not put towards the organization we had instead of making a new one? I and many others believe there may be more to it but we shall see. Trust me i am all for the support and hope for the best in Iowa. We all better pray it does not go south. Heck,We could use some help up here but it looks like we will take what Shawn has givin us and go it on our own. We have another meeting with DEC and the lawyers on tuesday. Praying what we have heard through the grapevine is not true but if it is you can take Ny and put it in with Texas!!
Mike I see it differently....I see NADefa as having their hands full already.....I see the ACA being able to come in and focus on areas that NADefa is not able too...especially on the national level.....look I don't know for sure what is going on...if I said I did I would be lying .....what I do know is the more fighting for my rights the better......I don't buy in to this to many organizations crap......If they are fighting for the rights of the Deer farmers ...I am ALL IN! ..Why wouldn't I be?!
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I guess i don't understand the need for another organization. Why aren't they a committee or council of NADEFA? If they are nonprofit to educate and support the industry, isn't that what the cervid livestock foundation is supposed to do?
Just going to concentrate on what we can do to save Ny's industry and let the chips fall where they will. I guess doing business only in my own state is better than not doing business at all if thats what it comes down to.
Just going to concentrate on what we can do to save Ny's industry and let the chips fall where they will. I guess doing business only in my own state is better than not doing business at all if thats what it comes down to.
Wow !! And I mean WOW !! If we'd put as much effort into fighting back for better and more doable reg's for our industry as we do bitching about how one organization works with or against another we'd be a whole lot better off than we are today !! I myself am soooo proud that the Brakke's have the insight and the GUTS to fight back in court where we as cervid farmers should have gone with our over regulated industry years ago ! If we wouldn't have been so willing to bend over and take one regulation after another and would have stood up TOGETHER and taken our concerns to court long ago we'd not be talking about whats going on with the Brakke's as the reg's would be more doable and they'd not be fighting for their lives right now . If we don't do something legaly soon the Brakke's will just be one of many in the same shoes . Thank goodness they are not rolling over as many of us seem to have done and they are standing up where we should have stood long ago ...IN COURT !! I don't care what organization stands up and fights for us , hell it could the the KGB for all I care but lets fight for what we love to do ...raise critters in a fashion we can ALL make somesort of profit and we're not killing our animals testing the hell out of them !! I too am sick of hearing WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT !! LETS DO SOMETHING before we're all in the same shoe's or situations as the Brakke's !! I thank the Brakke family for doing the right thing fighting for being OVER REGULATED ! God bless you and I hope you win ...big time !! We all need to stand together or we'll all be out of business eventually !! Just my opinion !
I still have on very simple Question. Why another ASSOCIATION?
If the purpose is to unite and disperse information to the cervid industry, then again why an association.
Please take the time to look up the definition of ALLIANCE.
Maybe you will see why I keep asking the question. AN ALLIANCE IS NOT AN ASSOCIATION.
If the purpose is to unite and disperse information to the cervid industry, then again why an association.
Please take the time to look up the definition of ALLIANCE.
Maybe you will see why I keep asking the question. AN ALLIANCE IS NOT AN ASSOCIATION.
Please don't change the subject in this post. WHY an ASSOCIATION? and not a simple alliance.
Please someone answer.
Please someone answer.
Well personally me nor our state association has paid the ACA a dime for membership. If they are an association why aren't they taking membership dues?
Fred,
First I am surprised that you are posting here after what you had said to me at Cincinnatti and Just How Dissappointed you were in my posts. But I Respect your Opinion Fred and I took your advice to boot......Talked to a lot of People and looked up definitions.
#1...Alliance- A merging of Efforts or Interests by Persons,Families,States or Organizations.
#2...Association-A group of People Organized for a Joint Purpose.
I am a little confused....Which one is it that you oppose Fred? I myself support both and anyone else that wants to HELP us and offers to do so. I'm not a past Board member as yourself. But I am a PROUD supporter and member of NADeFA, UDFM and WDFO. When NADeFA openly supports the ACA .....Why are you so Against it?? I just think the sooner we all get an Organized Direction the BETTER. One thing I do know is that the People and Agencies AGAINST us are already Organized and they do have an AGENDA!!!
Now On The Lighter side...........Is Warm Weather Ever Gonna Git Here??????
First I am surprised that you are posting here after what you had said to me at Cincinnatti and Just How Dissappointed you were in my posts. But I Respect your Opinion Fred and I took your advice to boot......Talked to a lot of People and looked up definitions.
#1...Alliance- A merging of Efforts or Interests by Persons,Families,States or Organizations.
#2...Association-A group of People Organized for a Joint Purpose.
I am a little confused....Which one is it that you oppose Fred? I myself support both and anyone else that wants to HELP us and offers to do so. I'm not a past Board member as yourself. But I am a PROUD supporter and member of NADeFA, UDFM and WDFO. When NADeFA openly supports the ACA .....Why are you so Against it?? I just think the sooner we all get an Organized Direction the BETTER. One thing I do know is that the People and Agencies AGAINST us are already Organized and they do have an AGENDA!!!
Now On The Lighter side...........Is Warm Weather Ever Gonna Git Here??????
Association wants money
Alliance wants to work together without funds.
Still and again WHY DO THESE FOLKS WANT another ASSOCIATION??
Alliance wants to work together without funds.
Still and again WHY DO THESE FOLKS WANT another ASSOCIATION??
Maybe that they are hiding behind the word ALLIANCE, when all along they just wanted a new association.
For all of you reading this. Keep in mind only a few people actually get involved and try to make change. From what I can tell, the folks that thought up the idea of the aca already are working for the industry. Why do they want a new association when I assume they are already busy.
Taking care of the daily work and records of another association only takes time away from the ability of these folks to work for the industry.
For all of you reading this. Keep in mind only a few people actually get involved and try to make change. From what I can tell, the folks that thought up the idea of the aca already are working for the industry. Why do they want a new association when I assume they are already busy.
Taking care of the daily work and records of another association only takes time away from the ability of these folks to work for the industry.
iadeer said:
From all the way down here I can see that this association (alliance/org/club/group,etc,etc) was needed. There is something like 30 plus orgs/alliances/associations, etc there, representing themselves in the industry without communication or even understanding of all the others objectives. Did a memorandum of understanding even exist between any associations before ACA?
This is a long overdue "organisation" & has the potential to co ordinate effort, for the breeders of deer,elk & exotics moving forward.
Could any of the existing single issue associations represent the needs of the others equitably or without bias for their own interests better than the ACA?
Could any of the existing single issue associations lobby politically for the interests of all the stakeholders without bias or previous loyalties, political or otherwise, better than the ACA?
Together we stand,divided we fall.
Cheers Sharkey
Fred You seem to be having a very difficult time answering questions and excepting the fact that everyone does not agree with you. It is like I asked YOU earlier.....NADeFA openly supports ACA...WHY DON'T YOU? That would be going against NADeFA RIGHT??? That is your right but why do you not extend the same right to others? Also in the definitions of either word there is no mention of money only in your description. Seems to be the constant in your posts. I guess Webster should be calling you. People have the Right To Organize Fred! You are right in the fact that a Few of the ACA members are already established in other organizations past and present....That is why they have the knowledge and see the need for the ACA. Have you even been on the ACA website to see the list of people who support the ACA? I think it is Very Credible and more than Impressive! I have talked to several of them and share their opinion...Have You? Classic Line "What we have is Failure To Communicate....Some Men You Just Can't Reach" The need seems to making all the way to Sharky in Australia but it's not Gettin' To Iowa. Let me try another approach here. It like when two people get married everything is GREAT for a few years (maybe more maybe less) Then one day you look across the room and realize your partner isn't the same person you married and it's time to switch horses. You then get a divorce but you continue to support the EX and wish the best for them. But it's time to Move On and find another partner that is a Better Fit. That is what happened to me and Life is Better the 2nd time because I knew what I wanted and needed then.......Just like the ACA! With that said I have to run. I Have Critters to tend to and fawns are right around the corner!! Great Post Sharkey!!! And I wish everyone that reads this the best this year with their animals!! You Too Freddie!!!! ;-) G'day
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New York- After CWD was found on the PA farm, New York closed their borders until they could assess the situation. They continued to keep their borders closed well into the fall and caused extreme hardship on both the breeding operations and the hunt preserves. Free trade hasn’t been allowed to exist. The New York Deer and Elk Farmers Association have negotiated with the state agencies but they have also hired an attorney that is assisting them in the language that is being drafted by the state to solve the limitations to movement.
Lets just hope this does not happen to other states while the Iowa case works its way through the system that could be drawn out in the courts for years. Ny will be assesing the situation through a closed border.
Lets just hope this does not happen to other states while the Iowa case works its way through the system that could be drawn out in the courts for years. Ny will be assesing the situation through a closed border.
Here is why average deer farmer and hunting preserves have issue with "National Organizations". We had an extremely important hearing today in a Natural Resource Committee hearing trying to save hunting preserves in our State. We sat and listened to our opposition make absolute ridiculous claims of how every single case of CWD has been traced directly to a game farm. They went on to tell the committee how devastated the deer herds are in States where CWD has been found. On and on and on. Not one "industry" expert was there to dispute nor could we even get someone from the ACA to even respond to our inquiry. It does us no good to have organizations that sit around and tell each other how great they are and pad themselves on the back while our farms and preserves are being shut down.
If anyone knows of someone in our industry who is a "qualified" cwd expert backed with facts we would love to know who it is. We are not looking for someone to BS the committee as our opposition made fools of themselves. We would like to get unbiased facts to provide this committee quickly. If the facts don't support us and set us free then we deserve to be shut down.
If anyone knows of someone in our industry who is a "qualified" cwd expert backed with facts we would love to know who it is. We are not looking for someone to BS the committee as our opposition made fools of themselves. We would like to get unbiased facts to provide this committee quickly. If the facts don't support us and set us free then we deserve to be shut down.
Hotrod said:
Sorry mate,but if you could fill us in on which state your in, who the opposition is specifically (peta, QDMA, government, etc ? did they have reps at this meeting ?), which orgs refused to help/attend, how much notice they were given, & their reasons for not attending.
Cheers Sharkey
Hotrod,
As I stated in my email response to you this morning. I had left the office last Wednesday to attend member meetings in Wisconsin through Sunday. When I got to the office Monday morning and was made aware of your meeting through your email your meeting was then just an hour and half later. I apoloize for there not being a ACA representative at your meeting. With adequate prior notice we will have one present when given the opportunity at any subsequent meetings.
I have seen the value of having a scientifically well versed representative at these meetings and once again apologize for the hardship this has or might cause your state members.
Eric Mohlman
As I stated in my email response to you this morning. I had left the office last Wednesday to attend member meetings in Wisconsin through Sunday. When I got to the office Monday morning and was made aware of your meeting through your email your meeting was then just an hour and half later. I apoloize for there not being a ACA representative at your meeting. With adequate prior notice we will have one present when given the opportunity at any subsequent meetings.
I have seen the value of having a scientifically well versed representative at these meetings and once again apologize for the hardship this has or might cause your state members.
Eric Mohlman
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